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Episode · 4 months ago

22-5 Review Are We

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Headliners: Ibaraki, Kendrick Lamar, Cave In. 

Special Guests: Evergrey, SepticFlesh, Moon Tooth, Tómarúm, Malevolence. 

Supports: Def Leppard, Puppy, Katharos, Entgeist, Unprocessed, Hollow Front, Morgue Supplier. 

Uncool People: Mark Tremonti and Udo Dirkschneider sing Sinatra. 

Cool People: Blut Aus Nord, Ufomammut, Arcade Fire.

Hey, color, hi, how you doing? I'm good. What's our episode title? Josh? Um, I don't know this week because I wanted to name it after the the big long one of the big long cohdede and Cambria album titles have it like yeah, but the album got pushed because you are doing everything in your power to not have to listen to it. As my conspiracy theory, you went back in time and told Adele to buy up all the vinyls so that you would eat wouldn't have to listen to code and Cambra, which is a shame because all I've been listening to lately is code and camera. So I'm wearing to talk about it. I think you should listen to the new code and camera album. That's my brief preview review, but we'll get to that next month and we'll see what happens. I don't there where. What are you going to come up with the title? Um, yeah, I'll get back to you on that one. More importantly, when are people are going to leave us with a five star reviews and give us titles and then we can use those. Although they may have, I haven't checked. I'll check the next episode. Every one has it's all right, I'll come up with something. Yeah, but yeah, we're here to review May's releases. Our line up for this month. We have our headline is the big sort of talking point albums of the month. We have Iberaki, Kendrick Lamar and Cavin no Carahden Cambria, sadly, and then special guests. The albums from smaller artists that we think deserve a bit of an in depth discussion are ever, gray, asseptic, flesh, Moontooth, tomorrow is how I'm saying that. I got accents over there, vowels, so who knows, tomorrow and malevolence, and then some quick looks at our supports from deaf leopard, poppy, Catheras and Geist, unprocessed, more supplier. And I was going to do the chasm, who surprise released their new album last week, but I haven't really had a good chance to listen to it, so maybe I'll cover it next month. But if you like death and or black metal, you should check that out. And then we're going to do a bit of a a stacked cool people time this month with albums from Blit ours, Nord, a former mote, which I've never said out loud before, and maybe the ultimate cool people album, for me at least, unless radio had released a new album. We have a new record from arcade fire Um. Yes, so do we want to get into it? Yeah, let's start with and. Yeah, ten years in the making or thereabouts and very, very different to what I think we were expecting it to be, because this is the supposedly black metal crossover project with Matt from trivium and Isan of and emperor fame, although my understanding is it's not really black metal when their son is not really involved. That's where we ended up. What's your take on the album? Yeah, I'm still a bit confused about the whole eastern side of things. I mean he's only directly credited on one track if I recall correctly, but I feel like he did have more involvement than that. So yeah, I think there's a couple of songs that were made from like leftover riffs that he had that they were working on together, so they sort of like based around a draft of a song he had. I think there's a couple of tracks like that. Yeah, his vocals show up on the last track of the last proper track, and I did he produce it? I think so, okay. So it is produced by Asan and yeah, he seems to have been involved with some of the songwriting somewhere in the process, but I don't really notice. This is more of a Asan inspired Isan coached record than a full collaboration. According to the to the website, the band website, it's an engineer and produced the record and contributed some song structures. Right. So, yeah, he's essentially a producer. Yeah, and before we get into like what we think of it itself, like what, what is this album? Because I don't think it's a black metal no, it's definitely not. I yeah, like you said, we're expecting black metal and I feel like it's just more sort of generic, progressive, extreme sort of metal, although even then extremes probably a bit far, isn't it? I mean it's at the lighter side of extreme, but this is a trivium. Aren't an extreme metal band? Biberaki definitely are. Yeah, I don't. I don't know about generic progressive metal, because it depends what you mean by like that. Like it doesn't sound like dream theater or whatever, but like like o Peth is the band this sounds the most like. Yeah, yeah, sure, but it also doesn't really sound like our peth and it sounds sounds like our Peth, but this doesn't really sound like it sound solo stuff. It's it's a bit of an enigma that it doesn't have anything like, I don't think truly distinct about it. That I mean it's got Matt Hefy, so it sounds like it sounds like he's written it, like a lot of the riffs are very much him, but it doesn't sound like Matt Hefy Being Matt Heafy is the thing. I don't think it's too far from it. Yeah, like this is just him exploring his weirder side a bit more. I mean, yes, so essentially this is a solo matt hefe album. Yeah, but yeah, but my point about it not having like a englishing thing is it's sort of lashing out in all these things.

I don't know if there's really like a centerpiece to the record because it's also got these like folk Japanese things that are like they're in the imagery and the lyrics and things, but they don't really come into the sound as much except when like they're doing a centerpiece. So it's it's a hard album to pigeonhole, but sort of yeah, progressive extreme metal with a black and thrash influence, but not really a black and thrash sound, I guess. But you're you are a massive Trivian Fan, like they your favorite band. They're not my favorite, but there I'd say. I'll put them in my top ten right. So yeah, you're the you're the big Trivian Fan, so we'll go to you first. What are you making of Rashmon by Ibaraki? It did take a bit of time to grow on me. I think in large part that was because it was decidedly not what we've been primed to expect it to be, but I am really enjoying it now, and so this is a probably a top ten contender. To to shoot a head. The intro track is weird and I don't really understand why we needed the likeable part chanting stuff which shows up at the end as well. It's like I feel like it works better at the end, but the start one, I don't know, just throws me. But all of the actual songs, so the sandwich in between the starter and the closer, I think fantastic. So I've been really enjoying it. What about you. I don't know how I feel about this album. I am all over the plate and this is going to be maybe a bit of a theme this month is I'm going to need you to help me decide whether I like some of these albums or not. The first time I listened to this I was yeah, I was taken aback by this isn't really what I what I expected, and also I don't really know what it's trying to do. The second time I listened to it, I loved it. I thought it was incredible. I was like, Oh, this is amazing. This like could be my second favorite trivia album. Yeah, I just thought it was yeah, listening to all the bits, and then every other time I've gone back, so I've probably listened to it maybe like seven or eight times, somewhere in that range. Every other time I just all over the place with my opinions about this. Sometimes, like within the one listening. The last time I listened to it, which was last night, I really enjoyed it more than maybe the last few times. But I don't know if this is a good album. I'm not sure it works. There's like there's lots of cool bits that are really awesome, but I don't know if all the songs really go together and I don't know if the bits within the songs go together. Like yeah, I'm really confused by how I feel about this. I think your impression is definitely warranted, given the sort of variety on display and how different it is from what we were all thinking. But I do think it is good at the end of the day, and the hepheisms are what linked altogether for me. I can see how each song relates to him and that becomes the thread rather than the songs being necessarily sort of coherent, if that makes sense. So let's talk about the hepeisms there, because, like, musically, I think this album is pretty incredible. The riffs and and like the progressive stuff and the leads like that. The Dude knows how to play a guitar and stuff, and I definitely hear it sounds influence. I don't know how much of that is like direct involvement, but it sounds influence on the song structures and things. So I like that. The vocals, to me, are are a major issue with this album. I think I'd be a lot more into it if if it did have like maybe more of a generic progressive metal or extreme metal vocalist. Like the vocals on this are distinctly Matt Heafy, but they don't sound like Matt Hefe on trivium and they don't sound like Matt heafy on Modern Trivium, which for me, yeah, I mean I've I've said this before that the best thing that ever happened to trivium was David dreamand like there's so much of his influence in the way Matt heafy sings now, and that for me is an absolute water shed on liking the idea of the band and never getting along with them too. Okay, now I am a fan of non Trivia. This to me throws back to like he's trying to do more of an extreme metal, strained vocal like. This isn't his like deeper thrash crowd that he does with Trivia. It's a much like higher pitched. It's not a shriek but a Raspier, more strained delivery here, and it's not the same as early trivium, but it reminds me of early Trivia, where I just I feel like he's overreaching a lot. He doesn't sound comfortable on this record. So it's the harsh vocals you're having trouble with. Well, it's the harsh vocals I'm having trouble with. First, I don't think he's cleans on this alum or some of them are. So to finish up about the harsh vocals, like I can really hear where Issan would come in if he was doing like half and half vocals on this, like and I feel like if he's trying to recreate this on and he can't or it's not the same sort of thing. So there are bits where I think it would this would be a better record if Isam was doing the vocals and then you had if he come in with like the heavier, gruffer voice or when he does his big sort of like his deeper clean vocals, I think sound really good. But there are moments where he goes for that. I guess it's like in the silence and the snow lineage where he goes for that like sort of epic heavy metal filtering, and I just don't think he's good at it. Like I think it's beyond his range, I guess because he sounds good when he's doing the deeper stuff. But what's the there's one song. Like I agree with you. I think all the song songs are pretty good except for one, which I think was the lead single. What was the first single on this album? It's to me. She know who Kharji, which has the Mario Coin noises, which is pretty sick overall. But then the chorus, this high singing. Well, it's not, it's not the actual thing. It's there the...

...something, take me by the hand, nurtured, that which I can't understand. Like it's too many words in the chorus, and this is a matt hit with we're talking about hepeisms. Too many big words in a chorus is a Matt Hepheism and I am forever impressed that he made genuflect one of the most catching. But other than that it has never worked. And Yeah, I think it's sickness. It's sickness. Take me by the hand, nurtured, that which I can't understand. But he says can't understand, that which I can't understand should not be in a chorus. That is not a catchy phrase. And there are moments like that, where there's one earlier where there's a bridge where he's like, Oh, it's nurturing me. Symbolically and metaphorically, and it's just ship like that where I'm like what do you and I was gonna say he needs someone to tighten those lyrics, but I guess this someone was there and didn't go for it. But yeah, he's phrasing is really off a lot on this album and I think that has been more or less a thing with trivium, like if you especially on something like the crusade, like early trivis him, there are way too many words per song. But other than that chorus, like that's the one that jumps out to me and I go what, why was that left through? Yeah, that that bugs me. What doesn't bug me is the guest feature from jared way on Ronan. What the wild ride? Yeah, so this is this is the guy from my chemical romance who drops in halfway through a nine minute long black Betal Song to absolutely blow matty's vocals out of the water. Let's get if this is not in, let's get Gerard way into the harsh vocals for this whole record. And apparently he got on board because he called about here off and said can you teach me how to do an extreme metal scream? And Yeah, sure, you do want to be on my album or whatever, and I think he yeah, that's the that is the highlight of the record for me when he comes in. That is, my father, the best moment on this album. So more of that please. Yeah, I do agree that the harsher vocals are maybe not the best. They don't bother me as much as they perhaps bother you. I have a history of big bothered by his harsh vocals, so this makes sense. Yeah, but yeah, I definitely agreed that. On the music side, did is tough? Notch. Yeah, I think. I just think the vocal sort of distract from the good stuff rather than complimenting it sometimes. Having said that, could this just have been a trivium? It sounds a lot more like trivium than I expected it to. M could there have been one? I mean I think it could have because, yeah, the other guys play on it right, not all of it, but on a bunch of it. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I guess it depends on the other guys in that like would would they have wanted things to sound different to how this sounds, for example? Yeah, I mean I guess the point I'm getting out with that question is that, like this is far less of a departure than silence in the snow from their course found. I think. I think this has especially the last album they did, in the Court of the Dragon, was like sort of had that probaby stuff like this. Yeah, this is far closer to Shargun and that album to me. Well, there's one track in particular that is almost half the song basically just sounds like the end of shaken. Yeah, I think this could have just been trivium's black metal, trivium's progressive metal album. I think the reason why it's not is because people did not like silence in the snow and they have spent the better part of a decade clowing their credibility back. Like they're sort of known as the band that it's fun things up when there when there are top and I genuinely like it has to be a thing like we can't, we have such a good thing going right now, we cannot blow it on this album. Not that like maybe there was never a discussion. It was always Matt's thing, but when you're like, Oh, I could release this as a trivia moment and it would sold twice as much and we could do it or whatever, because yeah, once once, this ance sort of out of the picture. There's no real reason for this to be a solo record, especially if the guys from Triviam are playing on it. But I genuinely think now that they have established the culture and sound, they've made three albums in a row with a consistent style, like variations on that template. But I think maybe, having got back to that point, they're less willing to actually take a risk with triviam sound, and that's complete conjecture, but yeah, I'm not sure I agree with it. Like I think silence in the snow. I don't think even they really like silence in the snow that much. But that was that was kind of forced by his his voice getting sucked up and so he couldn't he couldn't scream on the record. So then they have to adjust accordingly and we're like, well, we like I made and we like D o. Why not try something while swear hampered or Hamstrung in this way? And we certainly haven't seen them try to come back to that since I guess, I guess less on. There should have been a trivia album. I would be interested to hear how much of this more extreme, more progressive sound shows up in the next trivium album, or if the next room album just sounds like the last feature of the mountains again, or if there's going to be another Ibaraquialum in another ten years maybe. Well, hopefully not that long way, because this is sick. And the one thing that they really want to highlight is the weird, almost EBO sounding leads lead guitar on a few sections, in particular Cormo debbe, there's this one lead that is sort of going all the way through the song and its tone is really distinctive and I love it so good. I mean, yeah, I think trivian would be a more interesting and, if not a better band if they if they did take some of this and bring it back with the but yeah, we'll see. Agreed.

Certainly, given that, as you say, they've been so consistent the last three I don't want to hear them make that for the rest of their career. Like they interest me because they do change things up and I'm ready for them to change things up again. Okay, speaking of changing things up, if we've just gone from one of the most anticipated metal albums of the year, extreme metal albums of the year, Um, now just just one of the most anticipated albums of the year, the biggest album of the year probably. We talked about, yeah, how ghost and sugar were some of the biggest metal releases. WHO GIVES A ship? There's a new Kendrick Lamar album, Mr Morale and the big steppers, which I'm sure you've heard about, even if you are just a metal guy. took off the fool full take off the cloud and took off the Wilfer, take off the money phone, take off the Carlo and take off the flex and the white. Last take off the word as Drevie'm gona take too stuff didn't take an off top of take off from fairy case dreams and a microway means there's a real world outside. Take off take take off the sandal color. You dropped the last episode that you're a big fan of Kendrick Marrow, a big fan of the pimper butterfly in part kill it. So we've we've decided to, yeah, cover this one and this is going to be a big one. So Oh, then you kick us off. You think, all right, I think I think we do need a bit of background on on feelings about Kendrick Lamar before we go into this one. So do you have anything more other than you like to Pemper Butterfly was was that your first introduction to him? I did listen to his debut as well, which I thought was good but didn't like stand out to me in a huge way. To pimper butterfly was amazing and then, damn, I thought was strong, but I didn't listen to it nearly enough, so I can't even really remember much of it to be honest. Right. Yes, so I also listened to the album before to pimper butterfly, good kid mad city, which just it's not his debut. There is one before. There's two albums before to pimper butterfly, but no one cares about section agents, so don't worry about it. Yeah, I heard his name when good kid mad city came out, listen to the album and went sure that, I'm not really that interested. Pimper Butterfly comes out and it's incredible and you said last time it's one of your favorite hip hop albums and and I have listened to it again in preparation for this and like, I think it has a pretty strong claim to being the best hip hop album in terms of impact and what it's doing musically and it's just wild to me that the record like as sort of out there as that can have such success in the mainstream. Yeah, half of it is slam poetry, slam poetry jazz, exactly free, or maybe not free, but yeah, Ivant God. Yeah, really amazing album and especially like just a huge departure from good kid, mad city, which I also went back and listen that, which has more going on musically to it than I remembered. But yeah, the jump from that, which is essentially like hip hop, traditional hip hop production, into the jazz of Pemper Butterfly is a pretty huge step. So I was pretty disappointed with damn, which is like a minimalist hip hop album. I really don't think damn is very good. Didn't he win like a Pulitzer or that you did for that, which is ridiculous, not because it's Kendrick Lamar limiting a thing, but it's Kendrick Lamar winning a literature award for that album, but it's the effect where the sales for the thing after the good thing bigger, because this was all just everything they should have awarded to pimper butterfly and all the praise that should have gone on that and it was already highly acclaimed. went to Damn and not only did it not deserve it, I think it's it's a bad album. I do not enjoy that record. And then he hasn't done stuff for a while. I mean he's done the Black Panther Soundtrack, which is sort of like a whole album, but yeah, how many years have we got between that? Because I didn't realize that it had been that like van comes out in five years before we have a proper ablem there was no like advanced single or anything. That was just the announcement, a couple of weeks and then damn his the album, double album at that. Yeah, so initially going into this, I hit play on united in grief. It's way more interesting and instrumentally involved and ambitious. This is like we've gone back to the pimper butterfly style sound and experimentation. Like great, on on board immediately. I like this more than dam or. I'm more interesting. This is another one color. I need you to tell me whether or not I like this album. I have no idea. I have more of an idea about this album than Um then Ibarraqi, but I think I might need your guidance on this. So, before I get into my thoughts, how are you feeling about Mr Morale and the big steppers? I enjoy it, but it has too many songs. I think there is an incredible album hiding inside this double album and the first half, I think is quite strong and as a whole, and then the second half, the whole Middle Chunk of the second half, just I lose interest completely. I think it ends really well, but they probably should have ended six songs earlier. I mean this is a running theme with all a lot of these albums this month, and and especially the headliners. All these albums are too damn long. I mean, we didn't really say that, but I think Ibaraki could do with some shaving as well. Like, even if you just ditch the INTRO and huch out road tracks or something like, these are long records that overstay their welcome, which this definitely does. Like I have struggled to listen to this album. Like this is one you have to find time and space and like you can't just throw this on the background. This album you have to be engaged with. It is too long. It's not excessively long for a double album. You have to know you're going into a double...

...album, but I feel for me it's the second half where my interest is captivated and I start going, Oh hey, there's a good album going on here. Right, I'm really sort of down on the first half. I think it starts strong with united in grief and and ninety five, which is just like a good traditional hip hop song. The rest of disc one I could genuinely do without. I think I really struggle with it. So the thing that this album is like he's dealing with some supposedly heavy ship right, and I don't know how well he deals with a lot of that or how interestingly he deals with a lot of that. Do you have a thought about that? Before I go into mind I haven't really dived into the lyrics too much. The only thing that really stands out to me on that front is we cry together, which I think is an argument song which I have no idea why there is there, or certainly at least it I don't connect with it and it doesn't sound good to me either. And whichever one is the Trans Song, the art you diaries, which also I think is not his best work. So yeah, that's about all I've got. The auntie diaries. I am not qualified to comment on it's not part of my experience at all, but I think that there's definitely something going on there like where, whether he nails it or not, it's it's interesting. I mean there's criticisms of it to do with dead naming and obviously he's using the slurs, which I think is unnecessary, and he puts the twist on it at the end comparing it to racial slurs. But I don't know if that absolves him from making the Hook of the song him shouting slurs of something that, as far as I know, he is not part of that community. So I'm not sure if it was handled well, but I think he's trying to get it something there right Um, and it is something that again, this is the biggest music artist to release an album this year, so to have that in there significant we cry together, I think is garbage. So you said, yes, it's the argument song. It's him shouting fuck you bitch and then a lady shouting fuck you with the word that I'm not allowed to say back again for five minutes and then at the end they have sex and they say oh, fuck you bitch and and fuck you, but it's men to be sexy and we're not sexy, but you know, it's the Oh it isn't violence like sex, and I hate that trope. It's so lazy and meaningless. And this isn't anything like new that's sort of there. There is stuff here like he talks about. There's one of the latest songs where he talks about rappers having problems with sexual abuse and masculinity and stuff, which okay, and it's like, well, this is this is bold and he's addressing there are the big issues, but this is stuff rappers have been talking about for ever. He's not the first to say it. Is Maybe the biggest to say it, but it doesn't seem particularly revolutionary to me and a lot of the times it seems like he's just like there's the aura of importance to what he's saying rather than anything substantial there. Like I haven't delved into it and yeah, I can't relate to this. I mean not only am I am I not black and I'm not part of this, but I'm a dude from Australia who likes death metal, so I'm really detached from like this entire thing. But yeah, just just how I am if we're asking how I'm reacting to it. I don't know if there's as much substance to this record as it wants you to think there is. And all right, while we're on the parallels between we cry together and the Anti Diaries. Right, so we're talking about slurs and things. The misogyny on this album is a lot. He's commenting on it, but I don't know if that absolves him from it like that. I don't know whether I'm going to bleep this out when I'm saying it, but part of the point is that it's it's not acceptable for me to say racial slurs, but bitch gets thrown around rather like I think the first line on the album is something about these bitches or something and it's said very hatefully and I think he's playing that up to, quote unquote, expose the misogyny. But I really don't know if there's that much commentary there. And I actually did the thing before we started. I went through all the lyrics to Kendrick Lamar's albums apart from section. I did a search for how many times the word bitch has used per album and how many times that the n word is used per Kendrick Lamar album. So to start us off, good kid mad city, we'll use that as our baseline. Fifty two uses of the word bitch to n words. All right, your baseline. Do you want to have a stabbed, I guess, or you can go under our over foot, pimper butterfly. Okay, under for Bitch and over for both. The lower bitch significantly slow, with only twenty on the entire record, so that's less than half Um. And then you've got about twenty less n words. At seven damn, we're back up to sixty bitches. So that's the most. It's ten more than good kid MAG city, but only twenty seven n words, down from seventy. So quite a drop off there. All right, you want to have a guess of Mr Morale, I'm guessing we're into triple figures. Not Quite, but we have a significant step up to ninety three bitches through the whole album. And then words, which is only more than Damns, are at least ten less than Pimper Butterfly and twenty less than good Huban city. So there seems to be a trend throughout his record with with exceptions, that the use of misogynistic slurs and also, in this case, homophobic slurs. There seems to be an increase in the use of that language and a decrease in the use of racial language. Maybe that's for a reason, maybe there's a justification and you can talk about...

...it, but it is for me definitely noticeable upon listening to this album just how much of that is going on. And I don't know, this has been a criticism of hip hop forever, right the Misogyny, but I think he gets a free pars a lot because it's Kendrick Lamar saying it and I don't know if Kendrick Lamar is necessarily saying anything worthwhile about it. Yeah, I think that's it. So overall, I don't know if I like this, whether it's artistically valid or not. I don't want to listen to it. I've listened to it maybe four times and that's definitely once more than I've wanted to do. That the same for me as well. I think it'll need an edit, as in get rid of the songs, get rid of some some of the fat and maybe even the reordering, and then salvage what's some great songs in there. I'm glad to see that the musical experimentation and the ambition is back, because people said it was there on damn and I don't think it was. But yeah, I think what sets this apart from to pimper butterflies too. Pimper butterflies fund to listen to, whereas this one, even if you like, I don't think this is a fun album. I think that. I think the starting the first half, up until we right together, I think it's pretty fun. There's some there's some fun catchy beats in there, some popilar, some popilar songs, some more jazzy songs. I think it's a reasonably good blend. I don't know, I don't. I don't think I like any of the after the first couple of songs on the first six like die hard, I'm saying is crashed. I did better. Alright, shall we move on to more comfortable territory. Let's go cave in, heavy pendulum. Yeah, so this is the band, but I said next band reminded me of right. Yes, if you remember, back to episode two, the February episode. Yeah, I said we worked the weather reminded me of Cave in, specifically Jupiter Ra spacy prog cabin. So I pointed out that Cavin sound depends on which album you're talking about. Do you I think I asked them, but you don't really have any history or familiarity with Cavin, right? That's right. Okay, so I won't go into crash diet levels of detail, but to give you the quick rundown on on where, Cavin start off as a metallic hardcore band in the Boston scene in the early nineties. So they're hanging out with converge, who they mingle and share members. Will get to that, and botch and bands like that. They release a couple of albums, or one album and a collaboration of of EPS, but they're Alaly SA album called and two your heart stops. That is seen as a foundational sort of classic of Metallic Hardcore. And at that point they're doing like the beyond hypothermia, which is the EP Um, not collaboration compilation. That comes earlier, like has a hidden track that's a cover of like it's a metallic and medley. Right. So they they're really like coming from that scene which even now, I'm hoping you're realizing that is a quite a far distance away from where we end up on heavy petrol they come back in two thousand that there's an EP in between, but they come back in two thousands of their second album, Jupiter. This is the one I think we broke whether sounds like or reminds me of. This is spacey progue songs Um and this is sort of seen as their classic release. But at this point there is no hardcore. There's it's heavy, it's riffy. I mean their trademark song off that album is called big riff, but it is spacey progue. There's no real metal to it. The next album from two thousand three, so all this is happening in like two or three years apart from each other. They come back with an album called antenna. This album sounds like a mix of radio head in the fruit fighters Um and it's also seen as a bit of an underground classic. In two thousand and five they really released perfect pitch black, which is a bit of a mix of of everything. It's a it's a cool album, but one of their less revered ones. And then Um in two thousand eleven, so quite a there's a six year break between that. They come back with an album called white silence. After they've been away for a while, I think maybe they broke up for a bit. I'm not really sure. They come back with an album called white science, which is fucking wild. This album mixes everything, but it's a much more extreme record than they've done for a while. It's my favorite caven album. I think white science is really quite incredible. That sort of sits more in like Kyoto, cardcore metal, things like that. And then they're writing a new album and UM, their bass player, Caleb Scofield, dies in a car crash halfway through running that and they end up releasing that album, I think a few years after he dies. But they don't finish it off. They essentially just put it out. As he hears what we had the albums called final transmission. From it sounds like a half finished album, although it seems like it's sort of low fi, leaning more towards that Auld Rock, radiohead influenced style sound. It's all over the place. Who knows what's going on in caven. And then three years later they get nate Newton from converge to play Bass and they come back with heavy pendulum and album. It's all about the RIFF's color. Yeah, the song off Tupid is called big riff this album should be called big riff. This is an album full of big riffs and I like it. What you so, as I was putting this on, I was thinking back and I'm like, I'm pretty sure I remember these guys being a meddalcore band or a hardcore band that was twenty years space problem. So I was like, well,...

...this is either I'm thinking of the wrong guys or this is not what I had signed up for. But I think it was good. Really, though, what this makes me think is just this is a messed on album. If mastered, UNMADE Ault Rock Yep, I can definitely see that. We've got the rambling Bass, we've got Spacey Guitar Vibes and Graphic Vocals. So that's the main point for me, but it has unfortunately failed to break through the fine barrier. Are you bullshit? You tell me a song like that opens with new reality and blood spitter doesn't just tear down your fine barrier and crush it to duts a? Are you kidding? What can I say? What can I say, Josh? It's so long as well, like it's just like goes and goes and goes, and they're not doing enough different things to justify that runtime. I half agree with that statement. I fully agreed that it is way too damn long. As I said, that is a running theme this week. Um, and I think this is maybe the most too damn long of all the albums. Maybe Kendrick Lama, but that is a double album, where this is like hey, you're meant to listen to this all at once. In terms of not doing enough different things totally. I do think they stay within the same realms. But what I was about to say is this album starts off really heavy and ends really softly and there is sort of a fairly linear tradition through that. So I do think there's a there's a ballistic sort of dynamic to this where it is changing, but it is it is a slow, gradual change rather than, okay, now we're doing something weird because, yeah, new reality starts off and we've got a new non bass and WHO's the guitarist? Who? Kurt Bailey, the guitarist from converge who produces all the bands. What sounds like in terms he's producing this and it doesn't sound like in terms, but fuck me, it sounds like no heroes Erra converge on One of the Times I saw converge. They was on the no heroes tour and he came out by himself on the stage and played to start the show. This is Kurt Bailey from convergeon, Kurt Berg. Now that's Corey Bailey, Kurt blue and I just did a Converge Trivium, a cross over there. He played the song plagues. This is how they open. That says he just came out on stages in the middle of the played the opening riff to plagues, which is just like this grinding riff that goes into a big bend and then starts grinding in and he just played that on stage by himself for about three minutes. And that is what new reality that opens this new caven album sounds like. Yeah, and then they follow that up with a song called Blood Spitter, which these were releases, the two singles from the album. When I heard these singles come out there I like wet myself in anticipation. I was like okay, because I was like Oh yeah, Cavin, they do different stuff. I'm like no, I'm on board, but yeah, these there are other heavier songs throughout the albums, but they never get anywhere near as heavy as this I don't killers offering, which is about halfway through, sounds like a mix of neurosis and Devon town's end, which is really cool and I I've asked you before, you're not a fan of neurosis, so I see why you wouldn't be into that sort of VIBE, although that sort of brushes up against the masterton thing you're coming up. But what the other influence that I think is on this album is there's a lot of Elis in chains in here, especially what's the song reckoning, the second last song on the when they do the slow acoustic stuff, it really sounds like, yeah, Mellow Acoustic Allison chains, and you're doing the scrutch up. I don't get it. Face Carlo. Around that time you said, what are they called? The tests heract band? Crown, crown, not crown the empire. What were they called that we reviewed? Was It last month? Give me a second, I've got him in my list. Crown textures, the textures band, the textures band, crown compace. Yeah, you said the acoustic stuff on that album sounded like allison chains. Yeah, that comment has haunted me since you made it. I have like no ship. Every day, I just stopped and been like what the how? And that's not to say you're you're an idiot and it doesn't sound like that. I just whatever you were hearing there. I'm like which part sounds like ellison chains? Do you know that the Lewis Black part, the comedian was black. He has a bit where he says he was in a restaurant and he overheard a lady say, if it wasn't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college, and that's just a sentence that he overheard that he can't stop thinking about for the rest of his life, and that lady is now like that's what you've done to me. that the alison chain's comparison. I'm just like, I'm not where I stopped and I look up and I go what about? It sounds like it's baffling. I need to solve it. So obviously I don't know where we're picking up. This could be like the you know that dumb ster in a conversation of like oh it is the blue. I see the blue. The Blue Usee here. Is it red or whatever? This is like is the alison chains? I'm hearing the same allison chains you're hearing, because this to me, there are moments where it like it may as well be Jerry Cantrell on the album doing the like sludgy harmonized acoustic stuff. So I thought you might have picked up on that and like to be you're only it's only fine for you. It is only fine. Look, I can. I'll give it another go to try and and I'll try and keep allison chains in my mind while I listened to it, because that might help. Yeah, I mean the problem with this album is that it is too long, though I don't know if there's anything I particularly want to cut. I mean I think the only song I would cut is waiting for love. Not really into that one, but otherwise I think it probably rather than like cutting songs, it just needs like sometimes they repeat a riff a minute longer than they need...

...to and like, yeah, the last song, wavering angel, is like twelve minutes and it doesn't really do anything. I think it's a really cool song and I think it's probably going to become a fairly iconic song for them, but I do think they could have shaved a few repeats. But yeah, I'm really loving this album. When I first the first couple of listens, I thought this might be a challenger for to knock fit for an autopsy off the spot. I have cooled on it since then, after the initial impact of fucker blood spitter has like calmed down. But yeah, this will definitely I would be shocked if this isn't in my top ten at the end of the year. All right, well, I'll give it another crack. I mean you're not gonna like it. I mean I like alt rook and I like master them. So yeah, I mean you said that, but you don't like the mix. But I am another. I don't object to the mix, I just object to this particular version of it. But maybe if I give us some more time they can change my mind. I mean it's definitely more of the like sternary side of mastered on than the like prog metal, like there's no there's no whiddling, or actually he does shred here and there. It's pretty sick, but yeah, more and more in line with for me. Yeah, they're grinding converge and sludge, Ellice and chets mixed here and I'm for it. Let's see if we can't find some things you like more in our special guest because we're kicking off with a band that I'm also shocked for you. I'm constantly shocked by the things you say. Oh, this podcast, car, that's that's. We're here because you told me previously, when we were discussing what we wanted to cover, that you're a fan of Evergreen. Were should be a fan of ever Grad. They're a very good, bad but not at all the kind of thing I would expect you to listen to, because ever gray are like a they're a weird one, but they're like a heavy metal progue, sad boy progue meets up uplift. Being heavy metal band really not something I thought you'd be into. So, yeah, why don't you tell us about your history with ever gray? You're you're right to be surprised, because I don't usually go for this what I call melodramatic brand of Prague, and I only have a fairly recent history with them. So it was the album, two albums ago, what's the Atlantic? Something like that, the one with the parture on the front. Ye, yes, so that was my introduction to them, and I've got a mate, no I'm who's a big ever gray fan and he keeps telling me to go back and listen to hymns for the break, and he's asked me about twenty times and I am yet to get to it. But yes, the Atlantic I really enjoyed and then escape of the Phoenix came last year and that one took a bit more time to grow on me. Didn't really connect with it much at first, but there was just something about it that made me keep coming back and then I ended up enjoying that one quite a bit as well. So that's my history with them. What about you? All right, so it's interesting that no recommended you hymns were the broken because that that is also the ever great album that I sort of revere them for, to the excet that that I do, that that's the album that introduced me to them and and I love that album Um and I've gone back to it in advance this and it's it's fucking great. So that I got into them and was like wow, this ever band, ever great band, pretty great, and then listened to all the new albums that came out, which I think there's only one between that the ones you mentioned, the storm with him from which I also really liked for whatever reason. By the time the Atlantic came out, which I did listen to and thought it was a really good album, but I just wasn't really interested by that point. Escape of the Phoenix came out and I think I listened to it once and wasn't think so I thought I'd sort of let them go. Um, but I am glad that you've brought this on because it's I've gone back now because you know I'm jumping on with him for the broken in two. But these guys have been around since the mid nineties and I think there's like six albums they released before that. Seven. There's seven albums before those ones which have more of a Rawer, mellow death sound than that the melodramatic heavy metal stuff to the later things. But yeah, I have now listened to every ever gradilum and I do think it's those mid period ones that I am most fond of. But yeah, I've had a real good time over the last couple of weeks listening to ever grade. They do a very specific thing and there's not a whole lot of variation in the sound, but they're they're very good at it and they don't really sound like anyone else. Like yeah, I agree as much as their their sound like sort of like we were saying with the Baraqui, like there's a lot of reference points where you can go. They've they've got the PROG meatal like cleans right, fates warning. They sort of fit into that. But they're heavy, are and Catatonia sort of makes sense. But even though they're called ever grade, there's not a sad they're like happy Catatonia. So yeah, they're a very singular band. I think this album is struggling to break through my fine barrier, to borrow a turn of phrase. YEP, so we're onto a heartless portrait, the Orphan Testament, and I'm with you right. Okay, so it's not just me. Hasn't clicked for me either. And whilst the previous one, escape of the Phoenix, didn't click with me initially, like I said, there's something about it that made me want to keep coming back, and here I don't get that...

...either. So it's not clicking with me and it's not really pulling me back in. So I wasn't sure if if it was a case of the albums just not as not as good as I hope for, or if it's two albums in two years, have I just not had enough of a break between ever gray albums. I think that's the same reason why I sort of fell off them. where it's another ever gray album, it's sort of the same sort of Vibe, even though it's it's really good. This one, I think, does have a different vibe to early stuff. Like this is a much weird to call a band. This, as you said, melodramatic and kind of bombastic and over the top, but like sort of Dour. There's a melancholy. No, no, not melancholy because that sounds down, but there's like, I don't know, you're the you're the artwork guy. The cover to this album is blue and the cover to the Atlantic is bright orange, and both these albums, I think those covers capture of the vibe of them. Like I find this is rather than that uplifting. Wo Whoever Gray feeling that? Because another parallel to escape with the Phoenix. I'm funny here. Escape with the Phoenix didn't do much for me except the first two songs. was like rule and then it sort of tails off. I have the same effect here where save us in midwinter calls. I'm like, okay, rocking, and then it just sort of just stays in that gear, it doesn't really reach that higher. So, yeah, I was wondering if it was. Like I've been sort of frustrated this album and I have found myself going back to it a lot just to be like, did I not like that album, and then going away from it, like it seems as I'm listening to them like this is good, but yeah, it's not connecting with me, I guess, emotionally, but worth checking out if, yeah, you're you're a fan of the band or you like the sound of that. But yeah, I would say go back to the Atlantic or hymns for the broken before going to this if you've never heard of them before. Not Bad by any means, but not their best. All right, where do you want to go next? Let's go for septic flesh and modern primitives. All Right, I quite have a big septic question. Fair Um, there there's another band that have been around for ages and have I think this is their twelve or album or something. But yeah, you familiar with septic flesh? I am. It's been a long time since I've listened to them, though, so I gave Titan a few spins when that came out. That was my introduction to them and I enjoyed Codex Omega quite a bit when that came out in twenties, seventeen I think, and so yeah, I like that then and basically they've completely fallen off my Radus Inc then. So I haven't listened to them in good five years. Yes, that that's interesting, because Titan is probably the one of their last round of albums, because they're the last to the release you mentioned there. Um. So coming to them on Titan, I think that's a bit of a weaker entry in their catalog, at least in the more recent stuff because, yeah, they've been around since think their first album ninety four, and they had more of a doomy um sound in the early stuff and then you really varied their sound a lot. Like they have an album called revolution DNA from which is just a straight up mellow death album and it fucking owns but it sounds like nothing else they've ever done, just like halfway through their career, like Oh, let's drop one of the greatest mellow death albums of all time and then back to the symphonic death medal. Now we're going to do a completely orchestral album. Um. But yeah, I think they they solidified their sound and hit their stride on communion in two thousand and eight, the great mass, which comes out in even which that was the album that fully got me on board with them. I was sort of a casual fan before that. The great mass comes out there up the symphonics a lot. It sort of reminds me of credible filth quite a bit. Really like that. And then Codex Omega, their last album, which you said you've listened to from I think that is their best album. I think that is the point where they got all these different like strands, pulled them together and went this is the definitive septic flush album. I think it's super underrated and, yeah, one of one of the best metal albums of I was going to say the last five years, but seventeen. It's been a while. So yeah, quite a lot of anticipation Um for modern primitive coming out, what five years after that, and initially I probably wanted to stick this in the headliners, I was that excited for it. And then it got pipped by curriding Camber and then they disappeared, but I wasn't inclined to put it back there because this is another one that is it's I didn't think this is a bit of a disappointment, especially coming after Um Codex Omega, and I'll explain why. But how are you feeling about it? First, it didn't click with me at first, but I am enjoying it more and more the more that I listened to it. I think that they've got a decent balance between the death metal side and the orchestral side here. The riffs are groovy. I don't think the orchestra is overdone. So it's it's good. Is it list ready? Is it as good as as what they've done before? I'm not so sure yet, but I'm still in the process of giving it some more listens. I would encourage you to go and listen to their other albums rather than coming back to this one, because it was interesting to me that you said to you came to them on...

Titan. I think Titan's a good album, but is a bit of a step down from the two either side of it. This, to me, is now the weakest of their modern run, and I think the reason is it's like, okay, so septic flesh. For people who don't know, are the like the symphonic death metal band. They do the heaviest death metal with the biggest symphony and that that's their thing that they do, and here they do that, but that's kind of all they do. They just do big riffs and big symphonics and a lot of the other stuff that was going on in their music that set them apart and above everyone else they thought isn't really there. They sort of just they just crunch and and that's there, whereas their previous albums are way more dynamic. And what is noticeably missing from this is, I don't know which member of the band doesn't, but one of them does clean vocals that are quite operatic, like sort of like when I C s four tex was in Dem Borga, but not as Cheesy, I guess. But on previous albums that has been a centerpiece of their sound, where it all builds up and swirls around these massive choruses. Here I think the clean vocals are only used like twice through the whole album. So of me this is this is very monotonous and to say it's not dynamic when it's like doing these huge riffs and then there's like it does it does quite loud but like totally it's very, very monitoring and yeah, I just don't think that the choruses are big. There is a run of songs in the middle of the album, so that there are nine tracks on this album and that the middle three track for neuromancer, then the coming storm and a desert throne. I think those songs, particularly neuromancer, are really great. Um that they would fit in with it with all the other stuff. But then either side of them are just sort of these flat songs that don't really go anywhere. So yeah, this this album, rather than uplifting me and making me feel huge like previous septic flesh albums, it just sort of like almost mellows me. It feels like a very stagnant, soft album. So I don't know, I don't know about this one. Um, I probably like it more than ever gray, but probably the same sort of problem where what's going on is good but it just doesn't have that grabbed to it, although I did want to mention the only thing that that did reach out and Hook me is an area in the in the first episode. You said there's the bit and fit for an autopsy where it sounds like he wants a lemonade. Wa Wa. Do you listened to the hero fan does it not sound like he's gone? Uh, the our fans. I'll left. I'll left the list for that alone. I'll have to come back to it. So yeah, a bit of a disappointment there, but not not a bad album. But yeah, I would say listen to start with Codex and mega and the great mass and sort of work your way back if you're interested in exceptic flesh. All right, what do we want to do next? Let's go for men to further trough. Yeah, okay, band that I don't have a ten hour long history before we drop in, because I saw whatever their previous album was called was getting a bit of buzz around the blog. I think I wist know at once and I know, yeah, probably prog meatal cool. Are you familiar with this band at all? They had a lot of buzz in blog land with their debut, chrome chromer paragon, but that one coming coming into this record, I had no recollection of what they sounded like. So that gives you an idea of what kind of impression it made on me at the time. The album in between the debut and this one I don't think I even checked out. And so here we are right. So that was crux from. That's the one. I had this in too, and then is yeah, I don't even know this, Chroma Para Dragon, Paragon, m paragon. That's got a dragon on the cover. Okay. So I went and check this album out because we got the program for this through the blog like way early at the start of the year, when there wasn't really anything around. I was like, oh, that's a name I recognized and it's got it's got cool cover art. I hope this is coming up in your gift to artwork column. Very cool. So I was like, all right, I'm gonna check this out, Um, and I'm glad I did because I really like this Um and I don't think you necessarily have to have a previous relationship with moon tooth because as far as I know this is a fairly different sounding album for them, because Eden did review it for the blog. Came out last month, and he said that Fredo tropsy has moved to double down on the more succerin and bouncy elements of the music, cutting some of the technical fat that was the only thing holding them down in the past, to create a moving, emotional and dance all album. And Yeah, that's where I'm at with this album. I think not only this album like really cool. This is a really fun album, which is not something you really associate with prog metal. Is that? How are you feeling? And it's struggling to get through the fine barrier. Okay. Like the sound, I feel like it's swan core with blues, and I think the vocalist is quite a good bit of a Karna, interesting voice, distinctive. Yeah, like it's pleasant. It's just not really connecting. When you say a song called that's like dance, Gavin, dance and ship right. Yeah, yeah, I see that. For me, the band this reminds me of, and this might be another, I only have one type of reference for this kind of sound and therefore anything but this sounds to me like baroness.

But if they were like party baroness, the baroness showed up to our house party and started chugging like beers and we're rocking out in the lounge room, I think that's what this would sound like. I think we're sort of talking about the same thing, but just coming from the different angles, where you're coming from the Bluesier side, yeah, and I'm coming from the Techia side or the Bluesier side as well. As about to say it's track too. Backburner starts off sounding like George Thorogood, which George you you don't know, you're shaking the head, but you do know, because George, Sarah could and the Delaware destroyers singing bad to the burne right, right. So it comes in with like like I'm like, yeah, you don't normally get that. Yeah, from a prog metal band. There's even there's a song the eye that never dies, that starts off with like a Bouncy, almost po D esque new metal riff and then has a chorus that reminds me of mud vein, like in their more progier moments. But I think this is a very, very dube like it does have that that core for it. Like it all sounds the same, but almost every long has a different take on this sound. Um, yeah, yeah, I was. I was really big on this album throughout, like, yeah, I guess the first quarter of the year. Since then I have cooled on it, I think for a couple of reasons. One is other stuff has come out, so it's just sort of faded away. But I think I I listened to it too much. So I'm sort of burnt out on it a bit, but I reckon if I give it a bit and come back to it, I'm going to be into this when I give it a re revisit. But yeah, this is just a fun, Um pregmant album. Like the title track that NZ album, it finishes with like a big Yingwe Mounstein style, like shred Solo, and then they just fade out. So Um, yeah, this is this sounds like an album that was fun to make and I think it's fun to listen to. So check it out. Yeah, definitely broke through my fine barrier. Something else that broke through my fine barrier is our next album. The next couple of albums actually to give us their heads up, but I don't think one of those was a spoiler. We're going to this is tremorum with ash in realms of Stern. Icons are a band eat and they talked about them before and then he was like hey, guys, he posted in the block sections of guys just the Newt Maroon. Let's come and just like get ready all. I checked it out. Now this to me, this is like progressive black metal that with it's got the mix of progressive black metal or post black metal, with with progressive death metal, because mostly through the ample use of fretless space. But the main band that this reminds me of, and this is another one, that anything that sounds like this, I'm gonna say sounds like this. But I really think this sounds like they have believes cars, who I believe are another band in your top ten alongside Trivia. They are my number one day. Okay, they favorite band. It was at Citadel's, your like favorite album. Okay, so anytime I hear something like it, I'm like, Carlo, check this out. It sounds like nable with Viscarus, and you told me it doesn't, which is fine, like you know better. I really think this sounds like a nable viscarus and I really think this is fucking good. Am I right? So I'm going to keep you in suspense there for a bit. Josh, horror and so, had you listened to tomorrow before? I maybe, but no, I was right. So my understanding is Trent discovered these guys among the blog circle when they released an EP a few years ago and he was like, guys, check out this cool new band. Two Song Ep. Sounds like nable with Viscarus, okay, and then I checked it out and was like, I don't really see how this sounds like nable. Viscarus don't like Carlson chains did it. And so, yeah, it didn't really connect with me that much. And then fast forward a few years. Here we are and now they do sound like niable with viscarus and this is a good album. So I'm I'm with you, suspense world. Um, I think this is way better than cool. I think this, this is really good. Right, I'm tossing and turning with it. So I'd probably say I've maybe listened to it ten times and maybe seven of those times I've thought this is this is pretty good, and then three of those times I've been like this is fucking incredible. Right, and the letter is becoming increasingly common. It probably wasn't until the fifth or six listen that I hit that for the first time. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to spending more time with this, because there's there's definitely some some super cool stuff going on here. Yeah, I think this is another one like Kendrick Labar, where you have to sort of be a in the mood, in the right place, but also ready to give it your attention because when I've put it on and just sort of done other things, like this sounds good, but I don't I'm not really engaging with it, and I do really like it. Today I had it, I had some housework to do, just taken out the rubbish, doing the dishes and things, and I just had my headphones on, I was walking around the house. I was fully, like immersed in it and I think someone's fucking incredible. With some caveats, I think two...

...damn long to continue the theme. Yeah, it's it's about an hour long, which is quite long for an album and quite long for a very dense prog metal album. And I think for me the best song on the album is track five, when no warmth is found, which really reminds me of the woods of you pray, if you know them. Yeah, I've heard of them. I haven't. I didn't think I've checked them out. They Um, yeah, that that's a woods of prayer. That spelled woods of you pris, so Y P R sum. Their last album, I think called chapter five or something. Um, yeah, it's really great. Reminds me a lot of this, mixed in with yet more pro death stuff, but that to me feels like a really strong and natural climax for the record and then there's a eleven minute and a fifteen minute song after that to go. And as good as those songs that, I think that the song after its black forms from gray. I think that's the one weaker moment on the record. Like it's really good by any other band standard, but if I was going to trim this album, that is the song I've cut and then probably bring the final song, awakened to turn eternal slumber, which is really good as well, move that up forward to make it a bit tighter. But yeah, I think everything that's going on here is great. I do think it's sort of lacking hooks, not in terms of like big pop choruses of anything. There's just not moments that I really remember. It's more of a wash. But I was saying Cavin at one point was challenging my ome with a year spot and I think this is my favorite album we're covering this week. So if it's going to grow on me, I think yet this could be a future sort of classic album in Prague circles. One thing I find interesting you say when they warmth is found is your your your favorite and you also don't really like portal of eye nears debut. Is that right? I don't not like it. The same thing. Not only does this sound like Neb ever Scarus, but it reminds me of Scarus, where like it's great, the moments are great and then it becomes a little bit overwhelming and exhausting at a point. I like that album. Objectively, that album is amazing. It just doesn't yet it doesn't connect with me as much as it seems to with with other people. It's the one, your favorite one, citadel, is the one where I have trouble just like getting into the group with it. Right, okay, because yeah, that that song could easily be on Portalovy if it had violin and clean singing. So that's that's definitely the touch point, I think, for this record. Sort of the earlier neo, the more black metal leaning, and they've got the whole soft melodic parts with the more aggressive parts. Shout out to introspection to that is really, really strong. Like it's not often that a three minute instrumental sort of interlude in the record catches my attention the way that this does. I think it's gorgeous in terms of the caveats that I have. Like I enjoy this front to back. The vocals for me are a bit one dimensional. That I think there's a guest vocalist that comes in on one of the last couple of tracks and it just it was much needed to just get a different tone, a different timber of harsh vocal in there and just spice things up slightly. But the one the thing that just kind of annoys me with with the album is the intro track. Really, why would you an instrumental intro and then have like the first two minutes of the first actual song also be instrumental? So it just becomes you end up having like five minutes before the vocals kick in, and I think that could like you could lose people who just think this is an instrumental album. Not My thing. That's a that's a bit of an interesting twist feed to drop on me right there at the end, because I was gonna say when you said introspection two, which is the halfway through the albumental, is really cool, I was going to see an introspection one that opens the album is really cool too. I like how it sounds, but it's the wire. Is there five minutes with no vocals. So either the first proper track didn't need its instrumental intro or you didn't need introspection one. I mean this is the same thing we were having with the allison chain's band where I was saying with the four minute instrumental track it's going to like give you the wrong impression. But I do think introspection one sounds more in line with the rest of the album than that acoustic track. In then it goes into like thrash prog, whereas this is just it's an instrument instrumental version of what they're doing. I think it flows into the first song really well and I don't know if this would be a problem if there wasn't that a tractor byde there, if it was just a twelve minute song instead of a ten minute song that had this at the start. I don't know if this would be causing that gap. Few I do agree that the vocals on this are pretty one dimensional. I also don't think they're really relevant or necessary. They're just sort of part of it. Like for me, the the instrumentation that is driving this album. So that doesn't want me at all. It is early career neo with Tech Death Basse. Yeah, but that that was gonna be my final thing before we move on to elevelance is just shout out. So I've looked him up now. Aaron Ms Born on the fretless base. This is fucking wicked. You're so good at fretless. Space in him and we'll make a supergroup of heavy blog, the heavy blog review pod supergroup. We will call him whatever and the review ets or something, but we'll get we've got Niko saxophone, we've got this guy on base and by the end of the year we'll have a we have a band. I could just listen to this album instrumental if he was like the lead instrument. I think it's. It's pretty impressive. So yeah, I'll spell now. There's I was going to spell it out, but they'll be links in the...

...podcast description, so check them out. and Ash in realms of stone icons is not a common album title. So that's true. Yeah, he'll we find guys. Our final special guest switching gears. We've we've been progging out for a while. We're going to Sheffield from the UK to check out your UK hardcore crew, malevolence. Their third full length album, malicious intent great. Last my last line racist. You don't have to how I feel about this. My first line is this is Josh metal if ever there was. Yeah, do you okay? Well, we'll get on to me. Do you want to describe the sound of this album and tell tell the Nice people how you feel about it? Yeah, this is this is sort of Pantera and psycroptic related, hardcore, groove metal, whatever you want to call it, and the riffs absolutely fucking slap. So that's all you need to know. How you're saying psycroptic just because the cover is obviously from the same series as the cover of the new socroptic album, because that's definitely not a musical reference I would have pulled out. No, I do think some of the riffing is similar, like it's not as frenetic, but I get some elements here and there right now. That's interesting and I will listen to that next time. The Pantera riffing is definitely there. I think I would have gone for lamb of God more than psycroptic, but that sort of like, yeah, I can see the lineage there. The elevator pitch on the levels, if you're not familiar with them, is what if hate hate bread, but also crowbar, and some of you might be thinking, well, there was a band called Kingdom of sorrow that was literally the dude from hate bread and the dude from Crobar. Yes, my levels do it better, at least on on this album. This is the yeah, their third album, and they've been around for a while, since was their debut, so we're ten years in. They've only put out a couple of albums. This has been a band that I should have loved and sort of everyone was like, Oh my God, the Elevens, they sound like Crowbar and hate bread, and then I listen to and go, yeah, this is cool. This is the first time it's grabby, and I think that is because this is their first time releasing an album on a on a bigger label. This is a much cleaner, better produced album than their early stuff, which is really kind of rough, and I think it makes an absolute world of difference in bringing out that the punchiness of this kind of music. Um, going back to the hate bread, Crowbar thing kingdom of sorry, who I did see live opening for cancer bats once and and had a good time, but they're more doing what if the dude from hate bread were singing crowbar songs. This is more doing. What if the guy from Krowbar were singing hate bread stuff coming out from the other way and the last couple of hate bred albums, I think, have been pretty poor, whereas this would stand up among some of the best stuff hate bread I've ever done. I this isn't my favorite album because Kevin and Tomrim released an album in the last month. This is the one I've listened to of the most. It's like half an hour long of just the second song, life sentence. Have you? You wouldn't have. Have you seen the video clip for this? It is the most awesome dumb hardcore thing ever. They're just like you know parking lot. They're wearing bulletproof vents, they're waving around lighters with the aerosol cans and they're like making gun faces into the camera. And then it gets to the end and the breakdown kicks in. There's a big explosion. If Iron's I love that song. It sounds exactly like dooms. They are from hatebread's rise of brutality. That's one of the best metalcore hardcore songs ever written. So why not, apart from the crow bar stuff that sort of comes through a more of the clean singing and things. The other thing that sets this apart that you've alluded to is the guitarist from this band can fucking shred. Yeah, this is like if they've stuck Mark Morton from lamb of God in hatebread and gone. Yeah, gone, which especially comes out on the penultimate track, track them and iron salvation, featuring your boy Matt Heavey. The whole thing is great. That is correct. I was just wondering about the Matt heape thing because I noticed like his vocals are there sort of in the background. He's doing the harsher vocals, which I think work better here than they do on Iberaki. But like the riffing in that song is has more of a Trivia vibe to it and I wonder if they've changed that or just they're written and gone. It sounds like him or I wonder if he is also contributing to like some of the playing, because there's there's the soloing that's in that song is crazy, but I don't know if it's the maleven sky if it's him. So yeah, I'll try to pay special attention to the guitar work. Then wait. So this is something you'd go back to. It's not just me. No, no, this is good. Yeah, okay, the vocals. The vocals are a bit weird, I think, especially the cleaner, cleaner ones, and so that took a bit of getting used to, but I think I am used to it now. And Yeah, the riff slap. So this is it's broken through the fine barrier and it's it's on the fence of is this gonna get onto it the list, or is it not going to get onto the list? So, yeah, this is is definitely on my list. This is this is the best hardcore album of the year so far and we're halfway through. So, but that the way that comeback.

Hit album made me want to flip on my furniture. This makes me want to flip on my furniture and then set it on fire. Awesome. But yeah, the clean vocals. I've heard there's been a bit of feedback about this album. It seems to be fairly divisive among the fan base in that it's either seen as a huge step up just in terms of songwriting. Oh now their EMOs with clean choruses, which is a specific thing I've seen said in multiple different places, which is ridiculous. Um One, because that's a dumb thing to say. But also they have been doing this, like if you go back to the first album, they have the clean choruses, so this isn't a new thing. And also the chorus. So I'm broken glasses fucking huge. The Guy, the guy who the guitarist does the clean his name is Conan and he looks like a guy named Conan. It's just this like tanked. Yeah, this album is a is a lot of fun and definitely recommend checking out for when you just need yeah, just just metal or hardcore, just hard, hitting hard. I mean there's one of the songs as a sample at the end that says like a hard as fuck or something, and that about sums it up. But yeah, I think there's what said sum apart is that the songs are tighter, the riffs are heavier, they can play better. It's this is good and it goes hard. As said. All Right, let's smash through some supports there now that I'm fired off after listening to the Leventh so I just put my head down like the Juggernaut and next men, just plow through these. I was gonna say there's no hair metal this week, but there is. There's like the biggest hair metal band. We have a new deaf leppard album, lection R. Jess can't stop it. Jess can't stop it. I love it that we he said last week. I listen at once. I'll tell you it's sucker. Listener once it sucks. This sounds bad. I'm starting to think DEF LEPPARD are bad, which is like they are a headliner, festival, headliner, stage band who haven't put out not only a good album but anything worth listening to for thirty years. Their entire legacy is still hysteria, which, like that album, is maybe like a definitely top twenty all time for me. But like, how are they still as big and revered as they are? Meanwhile white sneak, who am I go to like hair metal representatives, are still putting out great albums, their subheadlining. There is no justice in the world, Carlor, but I am. I'm starting to think. Yeah, Def leopard, they sort of. It's the exception rather than the rule, because the first couple of albums are okay. They do hysteria, which is one of the biggest rock albums of all time. It's great, it's amazing. It's between that and the self titled Nineteen a seven White Snake album. For me, what is the best hair metal album? And then they do adrenalize, which isn't even half as good as that, and then literally like ten one star records since then, except for the only exception for that is that they didn't knowl in two thousand and eight called songs from the Sparkle Lounge. People immediately wrote that off because of the title. That is the only one of their poststery albums that I think is worth listening to, and that might be an only the opinion. I put that one on. It's pretty cool. It's surprisingly it's kind of heavier than some of their stuff. There's a bit of an industrial influenced but they put that one out and I was like, Oh, maybe, definitely, but still good. They lost self titled Album from a fucking embarrassment, and this one is too. If you watch the video clips for this, it's the opposite of that and the levelance one. It's them. They're just old and rather than growing old gracefully, it's like old dudes trying to be cool young duds. This. Yeah, this album is bad. Okay, moving on to one that you I'm assuming you didn't listen to the album? No, I didn't. You didn't listen to hollow front, not yet. No, like and I will get to it. But yeah, I think you need to. I think it's quite bad and boring actually, but you tend to like architects stuff, so are more interested to see what you thought the picture on that one is. Rather than sounding like an architects clone, they now sound like a polaris clone. That we've reached like the next step of the invitation, that they're really one of the videos for whatever the single off the new things like. They look like Polaris. So yeah, we've now transcended. We're now imitating architects imitators. But I wondered if you if you got more out of it than maybe you didn't listen to it. Bring up, bring up the song and tell me you can all. Let me. Let me see. What's the cold yeah, there's the video on Youtube of Karmaturst by Holler Front, and am I looking out for something in particular? Let's just tell polarious nous. Yeah, we'll tell me if it's any Poe and the vocalist has definitely gone to the same styling school, it seems. He moves like Jap from Polaris as well. Yeah, I mean you like the stuff. Is this making you want to listen to the rest of the album or what? I'll give it a spin. Like the intro was super cool and I feel like it's getting worse as it gets longer. Yeah, it's that. There's a song on it called, I think it's, heritage that's like way heavier. It's pretty good. It's kind of sounds like part of a coward more. I'm just...

...yeah, I've seen this album getting a bit of a push, like it's on U N F D, like I'm amazed these guys aren't from Australia, that they're literally not clariss's mates or something. It's sort of like they're doing this fine and it sounds okay, but it's just it's like a carbon copy of a carbon copy. I feel really cynical about this, but I was wondering if there was a quality there that might appeal to you. And then we did listen to there was the poppy album, which I didn't think you were going to listen to it. You were puppy fan. Do you like puppy? Do you know who poppy are? I have no idea who poppy are, but you said it was pop rock. Whenever I hear that I get I get excited about the prospect of another dumb broker. Well, I think this has gone a pretty different direction, although it might not have, because poppy this is their second album pure evil. Their first album, the goat, came out in so it has a cover that's like a satanic altar, like Morbid Angel Alters, not as the man it's covered in. Right, you've got the you've got the NECRONOMICON and the candles and the skull, but it's on a pink background, like a Bait Baby Pink background, and that is a good indicator of puppy sound on that album. Because not don broker, but I think the reference point here would be ghost, modern ghost in the mix of the cult rock and hair metal. So yeah, this this album had just big, Chunky riffs that's sort of like Indie Ault Rock, and then Van Halen style hair metal that came through especially. There's a song on that album called world stand still that I just think fucking Arns was very hyped for this album, pure evil and Carlo. That got rid of all the hair metal. They did, as you were going through that discussion, I'm like, Josh is not going to be happy with this hand metal on this album. It's just indie rock and speaky ship. YEA, they get rid of their biggest selling point, Josh. I mean, I don't know really, because, on top of just being the thing that I liked about it, it was the thing that sort of set them apart, and if you got ghosts doing the same sort of thing, it seems like, yeah, something I'd want to attach my wheelhouse too. But yeah, this, this sounds like nineties indie rock, smashing pumpkins occasionally. Yeah, Chunky riffs, nasally voice. So I'm going to make a prediction. This was not what you expected and it's not something you're you're that into. Correct. Okay, like it's pleasant, it's not bad, but yeah, it's fine. It is fine, but yeah, bit of a I was really looking forward to where they go and not where I wanted them to. So that is puppy with pure evil. Something else I thought you might have been interested in was cather Ross. Do you know what the album is called? Of Lineages Long Forgotten? H This was symphonic black pop on Willow tipp, which is usually a good indicator of quality. Um, this is getting a bit of a bit of Buzz, a bit of push from the label. I think sounds like emperor is sort of the pitch and the overall assessment. I think Um just doing anything for you. Not that as much as I had hoped. Like it's it's should be right up my alley, and there's not. Certainly nothing wrong with it. Like the black metal has some cool riffs. There's some bombastic horns thrown in, which is always a match made in hell. But yeah, it's just struggling to break through the fine barrier. For me. I agree Um and that that sounds pretty damning. I think this is a good album. No, it's not bad by any means. Yeah, but yeah, I'm not really motivated to go back to it really. Yeah, another album which you didn't listen to, this one. This is ent geist with rest. I think that is pronounced. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you didn't listen to this one. I do plan on getting to it eventually, but yeah, I recommend you do, because this album, apart from just being quite good, sounds more like what I expected the ibaraqui album to sound like, which means it's a much more conventional basic record than the IBERAQUI run. This sounds like black metal with sort of a thrash basis to it's very riffy with a bit of a bit of Prom death to it, but not like the thrash black metal that we've talked about before, like Covey and or anything. It's maybe thrashes the wrong word, but like Chunky riffs at the center of this black metal swirling around it. Truck Five, brief out stair isolation. This is you know how all the obscure albums have the wear, the slim live song?...

This is one of those. That's real good. Yeah, so I don't know if this has got like enough to it to make my end of view list or anything like that, but yeah, very cool album. That is in line what I expected from Aberraki. So yeah, I recommend checking out if that sounds like something you'd be into. It's kind of probably as well like it does. By the end they're sort of these voiceovers that ammy a very credible filth and stuff. It's not as basic as I am passing it off to be, but yeah, it's a cool one. Do you want to talk about unprocessed? Who we're slipping them in because they technically released this in June, but you're a big fan, so yeah, one other than have a huge amount to say on it. So unprocessed. They released a few years back now. What year was it? They released artificial void and I'd never heard of them before, but it was a really strong, gent album. Their style of riffing, it's sort of like Gent and new Prague meeting, meeting one another and they've just got a texture, a tone of field to their to their guitar playing, that is sets them apart from everyone else trying to trying to replicate that sound. I went back and listened to covenant and that's also a really strong record. And now they've just put out an EP called boy without a gun. So it's only six tracks long and it's good. In general, EPS don't really get a huge amount of traction from me, but it's keeping me sufficiently interested and invested in them that I'm looking forward to their next full length. I think it's a bit on the poppier side. It's not as much crazy guitar going on, but as a job it's more unprocessed. That is a good thing. Yeah, I think the new prog thing that you said, like is what sets them apart. It's like they're Gentye, but it's they're not really genty they're a tech metal band. And Yeah, the pop sort of like like indie pop. I guess it is more in the way of the vocals rather than like the test rack style thing. What's the old and you really liked artificial void. Yeah, I listen to that a couple of times on your recommendation and like, I didn't connect to it as much as you, but I thought it was like pretty good, pretty impressive. This is leaving I've only given this like one lesson because it came out like two days ago, but this left me pretty non plus, I think, as you said, they're leaning on the pop side, but almost to the neglect of like this isn't metal enough. It's it's sort of my gut reaction to it is that the first song has like the big tech parts, but then the rest of the songs almost there's a few that just don't really have any tech element to them. They're just sort of upbeating pop songs, which is fine. I'm just not that interested. But something else I noticed going through it is they have a tendency to have like a verse with like nothing's going on, and then they like rock now I'm like is it because what they're playing is way too hard to do and sing, so they literally have to do it. So it's a bit of a bit of an odd mix. I think if you'd come to me with this, I wouldn't be into them, but I also would be interested to check out their next album, just based on the one before. But if you if you watch the video, like they can play that the drumas nuts Um. So yeah, I wanted to keep an eye on. I think band I'm also going to recommend to keep an eye on, without throwing my full recommendation behind are a band called morgue supplier, which is pretty brutal with their inevitability. I think this came out on transcending obscurity, so it's that kind of thing, if you're familiar with it. With that band's sort of like death doom grindcore. This is everything you're recognized it by. It has the cover from the same series as the last cycroptic Almaris malevelens have the one from the new ELM I don't know if this is good or it's definitely not bad, but it is interesting. There's something about this where it's a weird mix. So the basic picture is a mix of grindcore and death do but which is a weird mix to beginning. But it has more of like a dissonant like Gore guts dissonant death metal, but also like behold the octopus without being like techy. But that's sort of weird Jankee metal, like you're yet to say a single thing that appeals to me, but just none of these things are meant to go together. And now I just want to listen to it as of curiosities. Okay, well, if you're going to listen to it, throw on track three empty vacant Shell, because it starts off sounding like sloppy grindcore and finishes sounding like sloppy doom metal. But there's like a bit, there's a run in the middle from about track three to track five where it's sort of all comes together. Is that deliberate? Is it like there's something to it? So and I've I've listened to this album like a few times and I come back to it and I'm like, I don't...

...know, if this is like fun to listen to, but it's very interesting and I think there's something there. So if you're into a weird extreme metal, because I haven't seen anyone else like even acknowledges album's existence. This is inevitability by more supply, I give it a listen. It's a weird one. Um, I guess that brings us to cool people time. But before we get there I want to want to take a bit of a diversion to something that might become a semi recurring section when it's warranted, to something called uncool people time. Rather, rather than listening to the albums that are too cool for us, when we go in on on albums that are we are too cool for. We are too cool for because there is a five finger dash plunts album coming out, a couple of ones, and I will listen to it once and tell you that it's bad. No, this this is mostly here because in the lead up to this I noticed that there are not only one but two frank sinancial tribute albums from step peddle coming out. So first of all, there's I don't know, this is another word I've never said out loud. I think it's udo or udo Um Udo, Dirk shut up from the original singer from accept then had a solo career with his band ud so he put out, yeah, he is, isn't a full Frank Sinatra cover record. It's like just a covers record, but it has it's called my way and it has a cover of Frank Sinatra's my way on it. And then Mark Tremonti, guitarist from alter bridge and creed, who is, you know, known as being quite a good guitarist, has a solo career but has put out an entire album of Frank Sinatra songs called Mark Tremonti Sings Sinatra. And I think a few years back on the regular heavy, blog is heavy, podcast heavy, pod is heavy, they did like an end of year awards thing and one of their categories was the who asked for this award, which was something I found really funny. And then have continued to nominate something every year and no one else cares. They never did it again, but every year I'm on the watch out for what wins the WHO asked for this award. So this was here to go. Not only who asked for one Tremonti Sink Sinatra, who asked for both of these people to do Sinatra cover records. Now have since done some research the uter album. It's like it's like his seventieth birthday or something. So it's a celebration that he just and some friends got together and and did it out an album of all his favorite songs, and I'm like yeah, fair enough. And there's there's a cover on there of Queen's we will rock you. It sounds nothing like we will rock you. It's like eighties driving, like heavy metal, with him like doing like except stop over whether the problems. Yeah, I'm making big Nice Day three. Your's great check. Apparently he's done this live a couple of times. I think it's really cool. I think it's like like a really interesting take that really works. None of the other songs sound like that. They're all straight covers and they're all like stuff for seventy year Oldu. I would listen to you like. There's a cover of of Tina Turner's Nut Bush being sung by a seven year old guy who could never sing. So all right, fair enough, you turn seventy. This is just a fun thing for you to do. On Tremonti Sing Sinatra, which just seems even weirder. Why is the guy from creed like? Because he's in the band with with? WHO's the dude from alter bridge, Kennedy, miles Kennedy, who was known as like an amazing singer. I don't really like him because he does that wibbly Chris Cornell thing that I'm not really into. But like he is known as the powerhouse vocalist. Tremonti is known for being a six shredder, not for his vocal prowess. So, like the headline, Tremonti Sings Sinatra. Is Not really I don't really understand that. Having skipped through some of the tracks. He does a decent job of it. He sounds pretty good. It is a successful thing, but it's just another guy singing Sinatra. Sts climby to the moon, let me play among the stars, let me see what spring is like. Oh, apparently this was done for charity. Yeah, so now I can't be like, Oh, who asked for this, because the sick kids are I feel a bit bad making fun of these and also that that's not metal. PODCAST put me to the post by they pointed this out on their podcast that came out last week. I've been sitting on this for a month and like I'm going to make fun of Frank Sinatra. But even though that's being done for charity, I do wonder if getting the guy from creed and Alter Bridge to sing Frenk Sinatra songs is the best and most efficient way to raise money. So just the weird oddity that we I wouldn't have spoken about them if there were one each, but the fact that two of them came out within a month of each other is a strange occurrence that I thought was worth pointing out. All right, on too cool people time. then. I don't have any sunglasses in proximate. Oh I do. Sorry, let's do this. I skipped it last week, but sunglasses on. Yeah, bit of a stacked light up this week because we took some of the supports from our blood ass Nord and a full moment and put them in here. Because I haven't really listened to these albums because I'm scared of them. I have given them a couple of lessons each. The blood ass Nord One um I was particularly interested in because I really like their last album. Because, yeah, this isn't a band...

...like what are they like? Weird, purst black metal, avant garde weird ship. Yeah, hallucinogen from which has like weird purple flowers on the cover. I thought that was a cool, interesting album. Did you listen to that one? That's the only album of theirs that I've heard, and I thought it was sick. Yeah, right, okay, cool. So I was right to recommend you check this one out, because the other reason I recommended you checking this out is you like that a blood incantation album. Familiar. This year, when nothing happens, it was okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and this is an album where where, like sometimes, some ship happens. I I like this better. That's a blood incantation. Um. This. Is this doing anything for you, because it's very different from Hallucina only I haven't been able to get through a full listen of it yet, not in the bad way, just I ran at the time before recording, so I'm looking forward to giving it proper attention. So you will actually go back to this. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Alright, okay, I was worried. This is another one where you were going to come in and be like why, no, no, no, I'm I'm all about bullth house. No, we've not realized in saying this thing up is color. You're actually pretty cool. That's why you don't have the sunglasses. You're not the poser. I mean to describe the sound of this maybe hold on that until we get through the rest of yeah, to to just describe the sound of this album, it's like real. It's like a low fly, low fly black metal propst black metal alb it's sort of just like continuous static. There's there's no base in this album, but it has that like. Another thing I thought might have appeared to you is it has that weird, like love crafty and vibe to it, like not only the covers, like this big tentical pile thing that looks pretty cool, like a hatle wall kind of vibe to it. That comes through in the music as well. I think, all right, you've convinced me to go back to it, because I saw it listening to a couple of times when, oh, yeah, but you reckon, there's something here, so I might invest further as well. It sounds good. So we're in a similar sort of thing. And when my original pick for cool people before all this other stuff came out, was there's a new performer mote. Is that how we're saying that album yeah, yeah, which I don't actually know what it's called because I don't have it saved in my library. The album is fairness. So did you listen to this one? I did not. Right, okay, cool, I have listened to or four more before and they have not appealed to me. Well, yes, I would say don't bother with this one based on that, but also maybe do because it's it's kind of similar to yeah, it's got a kind of similar vibe tolt Arsenal and bloody and plantation. By saying that weird, an it's just it's not. It's just I'm not laughing at you're laughing at the band, at the battle. Who Comes up with that? Honestly, does it mean something? Yeah, something French. What does it mean in French? White, is black, the German or French blood from north, from Germany? Yeah, yeah, it's really obviously I'm thinking German, not French. Um, makes sense, aren't they? They're French right, yeah, they're French, but their names German. Maybe they're from the French part of the German part of France, like Strasbourg or some ship. Is that a real thing? Yeah, well, in Germany. No, it's not. It's French. It's in France. Yeah, it was German for a few centuries, but it's in France at the moment. Okay, I did not know that you should go there. There's a place. Yeah, that's in France. Well, I was going to say I didn't like France, but I did like Germany, so I would probably like German France. A phone would if a moment. If your moment. Where are they from? I think they might be German Italian. The same sort of vibe, with that posty journey sort of thing, but they have a bit more of a psychedelic thing to them. Of these three albums, the blood incantation, blot us Nord and am one that we're talking about now, they're they're all very different, but if you're going for that like space out sort of vibe, this is the one, I think, that does the most for me. It's also the one that has the most happen in it. Yeah, just the PSYCHEDELIC Vibe, I think, gives it a real flavor to it that if I was going to put something in the background and just sort of Z out, I I'd probably go for this one. But while I was impressed while listening to it. I'm probably not going to go back to it myself, but I think this is a good album if that is something that interests you. All right, let's get to the main event with the coolest of the cool paid fire, and we, as in we the people, not I need to we. Yeah, you know you out...

...here. You cool with people without the rope. You got any history with arcade fire? All right, do you have any opinion about arcade fire? All I know about them is they have a lot of band members and that they have a lot of different instruments. That's about as much insight as I've got. So I have somewhat of a history with arcade fire, not by choice, non consensual exposure to arcade fire, because when I was in high school and all my friends that I hung out with, we listened to metal and we were cool. You mean you listen to arcade fire and you were cool, because it's in cool people. I guess we weren't cool, but it was cool. Like we were talked about metal. We're talked about music. We also listen to the same sort of thing, like old rock and metal. Like I went further into death metal and things, but they were still into like yeah, heavier rock stuff, and all of a sudden they all just started listening to arcade fire and vampire weekend like they were done. Metals dumb. Now it's an arcade fire. If we go away, we can't put on something the rocks, we sit around all weekend listen to Mumford and sons, an arcade fire. And if I did my head in, because yeah, this is years of repressed I saw arcade fire like in passing at one of the big day out festivals. They were on a stage that I was walking past and yes, there was about twenty people on stage. I think about four of them had a tambourine. Um, they looked like the polyphonic spree and they were singing this twee shit. Um. So not into arcade fire. And then in the year sense I've constantly heard from like heavier metal spheres that no, arcade fire, the credible indie rock band, like they're the good one. They're the interesting, cool kind of progy one may maybe arcade fires to go. But yeah, so before we get to the album, if you got a spare four minutes to watch this video, but this is this represents my attitudes towards Arcade Socar. Where did it come out? This is a video if you look it up on each tube. But it's called toe to toe too, with the number two, with Chugger, arcade fire versus aborted. All right, welcome to toe to toe. I'm chugger. This week on toe to toe we're going to be looking at the best album of two thousand and ten. We've got two albums for your first off, representing fucking Indie Rock and hips to ship cunts in general. We've got arcade fire with their album the suburbs. Yeah, coming at you, boring into your fucking skull like a shitting power drill. We've gotta bought it with their album good. So we're gonna put these two albums toe to toe and see who emerges the victor and who gets smashed to a bloody pulp like my little toe, which I dropped the best of brick on last Thursday. Concept Arcade fire have come out with an album that's all about life in the suburbs. Nothing ever good fucking happens in the suburbs except a bunch of ship cunts hanging out the shops. Aborted, on the other hand, have an album all about the fucking blackness and brutality that exists within the soul of man. That and like fucking just cutting up dead bodies and ship and that is so fucking brutal. Ship blood. Here's a sample of abort his lyrics from their Song cadaverous dissertation. This wretched corpse we gladly dismember are rotting shrine. Are Puzzled to unfold new chrotic tissue, vacillating where faunicating silence and fornicating means fucking B A F mate. That's brutal as fuck, or B B A F C. that's brutaler's fun. Can't that's pretty good. I should copy mark that. Ship funk off caunt. And here's a sample of arcade fires lyrics. This is from the song ready to start. Businessmen drink my blood. Now that's actually a pretty fucking brutal lyric. I mean businessmen. They never worked a real day in their life. They've never seen a dude with a fucking metal bath through his chest at a build site. You know, business men of cunts, and you know drinking my blood. That's awesome, but then they go they ruin it by going on to say like the kids in art school said they would. Oh Fuck, oh, that's that video came out right in the middle of and came a real cultural touch point for me. It was nice to see myself represented in the media. I wasn't doing weird hits out of a crushed up VB can, but everything else in that video is fairly accurate to my feelings about okay fire at the time, although I am it does bug me that coronary reconstruction is an EP and not an actual album Um. But yeah, there are so many quotes from that video because I watched it for the first time like in a while, coming back to it, where I'm like, oh, that's just should I say now I should copy mark that ship like all the time, like fun us from that dumb and voted video. So that is all my baggage I'm taking into this okay fire Arum. Alright, hit me, Josh. Now...

...do you want to go first? Okay, so I thought there were some nice electronic moments. I think the having multiple vocalists is pretty good. I think it starts okay and I think it ends okay and that the middle might as well not be there and the slow parts are boring. As Fun. All Right, I'm now going to say everything color just said, but way more angry and Ranty, because I have of all the albums you did this week. I don't take many notes, but my notes for arcade fire three times as long as any other notes, I think. Yeah, apart from being like passively exposed to them, and I maybe think I listened to the suburbs album once, it was like, yeah, I'm not into this. When I put this on and the first song came on and it was like this mellow, like electronic thing. Apparently this is something arcode fire have been doing over the last couple of hours, but I'm like, this doesn't sound like what I thought. Arcode fire sounded like this is pretty good. It's like, Oh, this is cool. It sort of reminded me of like an electronic version of that last brand new album that we're not meant to talk about and it is the reason why for seventy was my mother year that year. But I was like, okay, this is cool. And then the second the second song had more of an upbeat pop five is like. I didn't think it was great, but I'm like, Oh, this is all right. If they were playing this in the background. I wouldn't be like carrying on as I probably would at the time, but I'm like okay. And then the soft ship comes in Carlor Um, but it's not even good soft ship. We already said. It's boring as fun, or maybe that should be b a FC boring as fun, because what is it? An end of empire or whatever? It is one of the songs. It starts off and it's like this, like John Wennon pastiche with the chords from imagine playing through and he's doing his mumble anything, and then the whole unsubscribed refrain. Do you remember that? There's like a four minute long refrain of just the imagined chords. Thing goes and he unsubscribed and she unsubscribed and just listing all these people that unsubscribed, and it reminded me of Um that that last Stephen Wilson Album had that song shopping and he just listed all the ship he could have bought and I was like fuck this. Yeah, there's a tooth taste deluxe box set that he was selling for a hundred and seventy dollars of that album. And this this song does the same thing where it's like she unsubscribed, feeling like she was high. They rhyme unsubscribed with high on our own supply, and I'm like, guys again, like Kendrick Lamar, just because you say it doesn't absolve you. And then the next song, I don't know, I didn't write down the names of the time. The next song starts off with the cords that from smashing pumpkins. Disarm it goes. But then it goes into boring Indie rock shit and I'm like, don't fucking pretend you rock. Don't get opened up a song, and that Song, if I'm doing the tugger thing, hang on, let me get the lyrics out. Should have found a lyric from an earlier album to compare this with. Who are you going to the toe with? Exactly? WHO HAVE WE got? WHO's out this week? WHO's brutal? Alevolence? They it's gotta cool. Yeah, yeah, alright, so, so, yeah, they're windy emo chorus from the malevolence song that everyone's winging about, which is actually Krobi actually, whereas feed me poison just to feel alive. Second guessing for the thousandth time, as I walk on broken glass, we're walking on broken glass. We've got, we're feeding poison to feel alive. It's brutal. And then we have arcade fire. So I can't find the damn lyric, but one of these songs that the chorus to it is like we we all know how to rock and roll and shake and move and we all know that God approves. And that is the least rock and roll lyric that has ever been uttered by a supposedly rock and repaired ever and and that was the point that if I, if I had physical media, I would have taken it out and stabbed it in my rage. You can snap it and then add it to the pile of furniture you set on fire next time you listen to my levolence from the levels of the arcade fire CD or just melt from the sheer riffage. But then, right at the end, track to over nine, unconditional two comes in, which is like another electronic song. It's the third electronic song after we started with two. Then there were like seven tracks of indie bullshit. Then we have another electronic song featuring Peter Gabriel. That's pretty yeah. So really, why are they doing that? Because they're too cool for us. Yeah, that's true funk. It's bad. And then the video is them like playing in the middle of the street and like singing alla earnestly, and it's like a white I mean, I can't be in the suburbs because they're not going to the shops. But because I started off I was ready to like this album coming and be like I like arcade fire. Now now this is this is garbage. When it gets into the garbage section, like it is worse than I remember. So arcade fire, rest in peace. It's been a long one, Carlo. We got through it. Thanks for playing along. Now you're not going to be here the next two months. Is that what's going on? I can be here just for a condensed yet a condensed review list. I mean there's lots of stuff there. I mean I was thinking of asking maybe Trent if he wants to jump on, but what I did want to keep you around for was all the tech that stuff. Is that something you want to do? It sounds good and I think there's there's a couple of other albums there that I know there's. There's bleed from within. Have you listening to that one? I think...

...they may also have been listening to architects, and there there's Billy Howard. Ll. And you like that drag dragged under album, didn't you? I did, right, and the ashes divide Billy Howard's yeah, yeah, he's so the thing and that. I really liked that. So Um, anticipating what normal was. Yeah, so what if we did like a shorter episode towards the end of the month with the tech, that stuff and those three and then I did the rest with someone else? Sounds good. What if we do a shorter episode with those three and the tech their stuff and then new code and camera album? I do recommend you. It's it's real good. It's if you're after pop, pop, Rock, pop metal, it's Um. His vocals are my issue, though. Well, they're auto chewed. I don't know if that helps. Well, we'll see. We'll see when it comes out. I'll make you listen to the song bad man and you can tell me, tell me what you to, what you reckon. All right, did you like that last thornhill album? Was that for me a couple of years back? Yeah, I thought that was really good. All right, well, maybe we can add that in there. You tell me what you want to listen to. You and I want to do it just for the stuff you would have listened to anyway. And then you're saying July as well, you're going to be busy, because I'm looking at that and that doesn't really struck me as there being anything there that's really Carlo related. I mean Megadeath, Greg put, though, I would want to check out. I don't actually know if that megadeath is coming out. It's got that date but there's been absolutely nothing about it, so I don't know if that's going to happen. And then, yeah, the rest of it's probably thin on my taste. There's no hair metal. You're coming back. You're taking two months off, coming back. That's like. There's no hair metal on those like are you coming back? I was going to tell my story about how I went to see Alaska and the guy licked my lady Gaga shirt, but probably taken enough of your time. Let you that's the story. I went to my first GIG in two years. I went to see Alaska, the funk winner of all stars too and from five Rupa's drag race, and and I wore my all over lady Gaga Art pump print shirt that is too small for me, but I'm like bucket, I'm doing it and I went in and we went to the bar and I walked up to the bar and we're waiting for drinks and I just felt like my back being stroked, like it was being traced, and I hear from behind me like Oh, Gaga, and there is a giant, presumably gay man just there who was completely wasted, just like stroking my back and I was like Oh yeah, cool, and then I just here I'm gonna Lick It. It's like just up my back and I looked over I was like, Oh yeah, the girl who was with it was like, I suppose he's like, Oh, he's gonna Punch you, he's gonna. I'm like, I'm not gonna Punch you, but I was like I would really appreciate it if you didn't lick me. I don't think that's uh Um after covid but I think, yeah, he was a liquor Um. I did get multiple compliments on my all overlady Gaga print shirts. So, yeah, going to the gay bar was good for my self esteem. But yeah, that's the first GIG I've been through for literal years. Except now you and I both have tickets to fit for an autopsy. So yeah, we'll do a proper review of that when we come back by.

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