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Heavy Blog Review Podcast

Episode · 4 months ago

22-6B Review are You?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Headliners: Alexisonfire, Porcupine Tree, Kreator. 

Special Guests: Kardashev, White Ward, Swampborn, Vatican, Candy, Final Light, Astroniod. 

Supports: Motionless In White, Knoll, Darkane, Jorn Lande, Dir En Grey, The Chasm, Antagonist A.D., Victorius, Saor. 

Cool People: Lasiodora, Chalk Hands, Luminous Vault, Heaving Earth, Gospel.

Don't not caller. No, I'm not. I'm a friend from Canada. Sorry to disrupt your both from Melbourne right. Yes, yeah, sorry to disrupt your little connection there with my ugly Canadian accent. But well, kind of this like Australia in the north, right? Is that how that works? I've heard people allude to that. Yeah, but, yeah, how are you? Thanks for doing this. Are you're dealing with Internet adage? Wild, it's like, because a good sign of the problem when like the entire country's Internet is basically monopolized by two countries, like like bank machines everywhere down like no one can use like debit anywhere, like I saw like the weekend. Had to cancel his the first day of his tour in Toronto because like like everyone's tickets to run their phones now so that no one can like get in. Yeah, pretty crazy it. Yeah, him excited to get to this or it's been a little more complicated than needed to be. But you're not like folded up in the backseat of the car and then in some random besides, some random town building that has public wife in my car. So Fun Times. Okay, so I guess I guess we should get into it because we have an absolutely stacked line up for our June releases, with some big comeback records from Alexis, on fire, porcupine tree and creator. There are headliners and then we have some pretty impressive special guests, I think, from white world, Kardashev, swamp borne, astronoid, Final Light, candy and Vatican, and then supports from mortionless in White, Darkane, John, dear and gray. Is that how we say that? This is the other thing? Color and I have discovered, when we try and say all these words that we've been reading for years out loud, to have no idea. DRE and gray, the chasm, antagonist, a d noel victorious, and he see here's another on sale. Ye, never said that one before. And then I bump a cool people time with some selections from you that Carlo and I have neglected from earlier this year. So for cool people time we will be getting the coolest recommendations from Trent in the form of Lassiodora, Chalk Hands, Gospel, luminous vaults and heaving earth. On top of everything we're covering this week, Carlo and I have already done a record with all the other big albums that came out this month or last month, mostly focusing on tech that stuff, but we covered artificial brain and codde and Cambra and things that. was there anything else like that that you wanted to comment on? I enjoyed that episode, by the way. You listen to it? Cool? Yeah, yeah, one of my print time picks. Heaving Earth is definitely a tech death album. But as far as stuff like in the last month, I thank you. Guys covered it pretty well. I'll see. I did listen to that herd. Tried to listen to that rings, a Saturn Album, and definitely agree with your take. It like like, I don't mind the like trap beats and stuff. They're they're going in there, but just like it felt like like like you said, like Oh, we just just made these cool beats, let's throw them in here to fill some time or something like. I don't know about that band anymore and they're not particularly integrated other I mean I was some times. When I dropped that I'm like Oh that they still exist, not that I ever thought they went away, just I don't know if anyone's thought of them for a while. Yeah, yeah, sir, we're going to kick things off with Alexis on fire and their comeback album otherness. But before we do that you've been to some kind of Alexis on fire festival. I did last weekend. They put on like a four day thing in their hometown where the first two days it was headlined by city and Color, Dallas Greens kind of Solo Project Band, and then the last two days Alexis headlines. The first of their shows is what I went to, which set list was? It was it was really good. It was kind of just like discography Um massing, like little bits of everything, some good kind of deep cuts to Um. Surprisingly, only like two or three songs from the new album, but fine, I like enough of their old material. That was okay. And then their second day, I'm kind of BUMMEDA I didn't get to go to it, they played their just debut self titled Albums Start to finish. I don't think they've ever done but it's kind of like a cult classical album, so I'm sure that was fun for the people involved, but it was a good time. There was like someone set like ten thousand people or something, which is pretty wild for a post hard or band like they just have like a crazy reach in Canada, like even like people who typically don't listen to this kind of music, I think, are like open to them for some reason, like I don't know if it's just the Dallas Green factor, but yeah, it's pretty cool Canadian right. Yeah, yeah, they're from St Catherine's Ontario. and where there any other bands playing or was it just like a bunch of Lexi sure's the show I saw. There were four bands. Um, this like all women punk band called no Bro. It's a great name for them.

They opened. They're actually really fun, like it's pretty like straightforward, kind of like punk music, but just like they're just out there having a good time, which I'm okay with. The have songs like let's do drugs and other great hits. Then hot water music played. I was familiar with them. It wasn't really a big Fan, but he listen to a bitilier stuff sort of in preparation, and they had a couple of pretty cool songs there. Like like they've been around for a while, like they're probably bigger and like the early two thousands or something. Yeah, it's a name I've heard, but yeah, and then billy tallant was the other kind of semi headliner on there who I've always been like their first album, I think it's their self titled Album from like, let's say early two thousand's, was, like maybe you, my like first favorite album, like growing up when I was like eleven or twelve, like. So I have a lot of like nostalgia for them. Less into their newer stuff, like I think they put out an album this year and I don't know, they don't really feel like they don't really know what they want to sound like any more, like they're trying to be almost like iron maiden worship ee, but like also like just like mainstream rock. That was the prog one, right. Yeah, it's a little bit prog. Was it last year or this year? I think it was last year. It might have been, yeah, end of last year. No, I had the opposite thing where I really like that that prog song and then the rest of the album was sort of like the old punk stuff, and I'd sort of like to see them go a bit further with the different sound. Yeah, I think there's like potential in that sound. It's just that I haven't really realized it. Yeah, I agree, and I think we have um sort of a similar dynamic when it comes to Alexis on five because having peaque Joe. You know what, have we been listening to lists over the years and things. Um, you seem like you're you're a big fan of the early Alexis on fire material. Is that correct? I am. Yeah, he'd say they were one of the first like post hardcore bands. I got into like kind of before I got into any other kind of hardcore metal, like it was kind of after I was into like new metal and maybe more like mainstream metallic and stuff. But I remember like there's like a Canadian like music video, sort of like our version of MTV, basically, with like play one of their music videos, which was kind of crazy for back and then, and remember like seeing that when I was like twelve or thirteen and just being like blown away by just like nothing I've ever heard before like that, like just like his screaming, just kind of like the raw energy they had was just like what this is, this is cool. I was big into, I guess, their first three albums and then kind of like after that I had gone into my like extreme metal phase. I was probably mildly gate keep ee kind of elitist about it, but so I kind of like dismissed, like a lot of core music in general for a while and then they put out old crows, young cardinals, which was kind of like a bit of a shift into their sound, into what they are now, a bit more like a grunge, eer bluesy kind of vibe. I think their guitarist, Wade, started doing more vocals with is that kind of like gruff, like resilie voice and just kind of like less, I guess, less emo compared to their newer stuff and and that album took like a long time to grow on me, but it did eventually and now like I enjoy it quit a bit too. So yeah, it's been kind of like an up and down history with them for me, but I think I've always like watch out in their self. Titles have always been like some of my all time favorite albums, so it was very excited when you hear them coming back after that last full length. Yeah, it's been a while and it's interesting there that in your history with them you've skipped over crisis, which I think is generally considered the classic, but it's also, for me, definitely their their standout album. Um, yeah, I'm sort of coming at things from the other direction where I really like old crows, young cardinals and crisis and don't particularly care for those first two albums, which were big among my my circle of friends when I was in high school and I didn't get it when I was listening to watch out and stuff. But then, yeah, when crisis hit, and then old crows when they win in that more yeah, melodic over direction I really like. They ended up seeing them live. I'm not a like a huge fan, but I yeah, I can't remember why I saw them live. I think it might have been like a friend had a spare ticket and was like, Oh, do you want to come? Or maybe you just wanted someone to go with. The end up going and it's like one of the best shirts I've ever seen. They were really great. They put on a really good show, like Dallas sounds like just it's good, if not better, live, like just a lot of energy, like it's a temote of marshree terrament for some of those songs. So I think that was the tipping point where I went from being like, Oh, yeah, crisis is cool and old crow's has some good songs. So like no, I'm I'm a fan of those albums. They're they're really good, and I think that too was the first time they did their dead heartcover, the midnight or song and dogs blood, which that's the last music they put out right. That's I think. So, yeah, because it has been some talk. I think it's been seven years since they reformed or something like that. But then I was shocked to discover this is their first new music in twelve years. That is a while. So what are we making of otherness? The comeback record from Alexis on fire. I'll SA, I guess, pleasantly surprised. I wasn't kind of blown away by...

...it. It was like, sound wise, about kind of what I expected, like because I think they did put out like a single or two like in twenty nineteen that just wasn't attached to any record or any release or anything. It's just like hey, we wrote a song here. It is called the familiar drugs. So I think that kind of kind of expected it to sound basically like that, which it did. Miss that one. Yeah, it's not the best song, like I think it probably wouldn't have made this album even. Well, it's not all there. Yeah, but yeah, that did kind of set the tone for like what I was expecting and I mean it's a's a good like post hardcore, sort of all rock kind of album, like Dallas definitely carries a lot of the vocals here, like George the screamer is almost like a backup vocalist, which I was a little bit disappointed with because he has always been probably my favorite member. But they do still do they like harmonized together and stuff, which is always been like a highlight of them for me. But I found myself kind of more drawn towards like slower songs from this album, like which there's kind of a few of the more like melodic kind of single saw sole. It's probably my favorite song than blue spade. And Yeah, I know they I still know how to write like good riffs, like there's lots of catchy kind of earworms on this and generally like well written songs. But then then there's parts of it that I wasn't that crazy about. You know. I find they're more like UPP eat punkier side kind of less appealing to me nowadays. It's just I don't know if the songs are just a little bit more like straightforward kind of verse course first kind of thing, like predictable courses, and maybe they just like don't have that kind of like angsty energy anymore. That made me like those kind of songs more back in the day. But yeah, and then I did enjoy the like eight minute less outro though, and just just gets into that like almost pink floyd e kind of Solo, just kind of like riffing off that background little rhythm they have. Well, like George is screaming kind of like in the background behind it. That was a pretty great send off for the album. But how do you feel about otherness? Yeah, I mean I'm surprised by your response in a good way, because I think that's a much more measured analysis of the album than than some of the reviews and things I've seen around. Everyone just seems to be going crazy about this, and I think they always were, like it was just lets us on fire or back whatever they put out, it's going to be good. So there's a lot of talk about this being, you know, I'm a more mature album and it's on part of their other stuff. I'm really not feeling this. No, I don't think I like this album very much and I seem to have a different take on it to you, where it's the slowest stuff for me is really dragging. I think Santlet is a good song and there's a few in there, but particularly in the second half of the album, from, I guess, Dark Knight of the soul onwards. Really I don't like any of those songs, apart from reverse the curse, which is the Punky one, which I don't think is on part. With ye, their older material a real but it really gets into that slow, dirty kind of thing and I don't know if they really know where to go with that sound yet. Yeah, well, stops turning, which is they mean, and one which I think you're definitely right to say. Yeah, the end of it sounds like pink floyd's comfortably dumb, like that's what they're going for, except, I guess, is it? Is it Dallas who would be doing the soloing? I guess so. Yeah, either way, neither one of them is David Gilmour, because that's solow. For me, it just sounds like they're they're hitting over the same notes, like they go for it and then it's like, Oh, you didn't really know where to go with this. It kind of sounds like me when I tried to preps all over things. Yeah, well, you're doing all right. And Yeah, you definitely right to point out that the shift towards Dallas's vocals over George and Wade, which, yeah, there's too much Dallas on this album for me. You listen to the last episode? Yeah, where we were crapping on arcade fire? Yeah, so within that shift in my all my friends who were listening to Alexus on fire and then started listening to arcade fire and Mumfort on sons, do you well? The other shift there is they started listening to Alexis on fire and started listening to city and color. Her I've never particularly jelled with and there's a lot of city of color coming through here and I don't definitely you want you want more George. I want more weight. I really liked the albums he did with gallers and Um, he seems like almost a non presence on this album. Yeah, it's a bit surprised way that too. said, I kind of assumed, based off of old crows, that they would be shifting more in his direction and and that kind of where gallowsy sound. Yeah, I don't. I don't think this album is like complete trash, like it sounds like. I'm pretty down on it and I am, but I did. There are moments, I think. Yeah, some of the early stuff is good, sweet dreams of otherness. I think is where they sort of nailed that newer sound the best and I think senselly and conditional love. But on the whole this is I don't know. It would have made sense coming after young cardinals, but I also think it would have been seen as a transitional album, whereas I think, because this is the comeback album, it's being greeted as the, you know, solidification of this...

...new sound rather than the first steps into it. I almost wonder if like some of this stuff was like written for city and color or like like ideas he had like originally for city and color or something that turned into this. I mean not that his stuff is it's a bit more like singer Songwriter, almost folky vibes, but at least like some of the melodies and stuff could have been. But yeah, yeah, I think a lot of people are just like happy they're back and kind of taking anything, just happy that there's new like the sunfire music, which is kind of me like, but it's definitely not like probably won't be in my top twenty of the year, okay, but I'd say like, at least so far. It's in that threshold too. I like it, but it's yeah, I wasn't blown away. Alright, let's move on to another huge comeback album with pokeupon trees. What's it called? Closure continuance or something like that. Yeah, I just for a C Slash C closure continuation, which is their first album in two thousand and nine was the incident Um. So I don't know if they put out any anything else after that, but their lost album was, what's that? Thirteen years. So they got they got one more on on Alexis. So obviously you're a big Alexis on five fan. Any history or reverence for pokeupon tree? I don't really like is that I almost feel bad about as someone who considers themselves in general Prague Fan. I never I don't know, they've never really clicked with me. Maybe I haven't given their good stuff enough of effort, I think. I think the first album I listened to them was the incident, which is probably not a great starting point. It didn't really grab me in any way. But Yeah, they've wish had been a band like if I if it like auto plays on Youtube or spotify or something like won't rush to turn it off. But never yeah, for some reason never really has vibed with me as much as it maybe should. Um, yeah, I don't. I don't think the incident is a good starting place. It's I think it's generally seen as a lesser album in their discography and I not quite like it. I still think it's pretty good, but yeah, just because all their other stuff is much better, it's probably lower down in the rankings. I am not not a huge poorcupine tree fan, but I do like them a lot. I mean I got the this new album on the Thursday of the day before it came out and I had listened to it three times before. I listened to the Alexis on a fire album once. So I guess that sort of puts some perspective how my interests in terms of those those two bands. Yeah, albums like fear of a blank planet, which is the metal one, the sugar one, and the early stuff. Sky Moved Sideways, I think is my favorite album of theirs. That is essentially and deliberately pink Floyd's wish you were here part two. I think that album is really amazing. And so yeah, some of those those early albums up the downstairs and signify really cool and then their later stuff where they get into the whole rock with in absentia and dead wing, are obviously sort of classics of that scene. So not a band that I think of as part of my identity as her listener, but a band that I do really enjoy listening to. So I was pretty excited when they came back last year. They dropped their first song of this album, Herridian, just sort of out of nowhere because it didn't seem like they were going to come back, given how successful Steven Wilson has been as a solo artist. And I have not been a big fan of Steven Wilson's last couple of albums. Yeah, I think I gave them all kind of like when listen and yeah, that's that's enough for me. Yeah, I think that sort of goes like off the deep end into like progue wankery, whereas pokepine tree, I guess the other guys there, are sort of yeah, they had to rain it in a bit more and keep things on track, but now he's been hugely successful. So I'm not really sure why now it's the time for a pokepine tree reunion. But I'm happy it's happened because I think this album is pretty good. How are you feeling about it? Yeah, it was like okay, this is this isn't bad at all, like like rate from the first track, like the main riff in rats return. I was like, Oh damn, this is pretty cool. But then I think like part of the thing with porcupine tree is I'm just noted the biggest fan of seven Wilson's voice, like it's not there's nothing wrong with it, like it's perfectly fine, but just doesn't really click with me. I grew up with my dad being a big like genesis fan and like it kind of reminds me of that kind of stuff. Maybe it's like some sort of repressed thing there, but yeah, I don't know. It's like like you can't really deny like their talent and a lot of the base work here is really impressive, like kind of done like down came here. Is Wreck really like stuck out to me. The whole song in general is just like progue, going to a happy place kind of thing. But I've heard people talk about like Stephen. They're being a difference between like dark Steven Wilson and like depressing Steven Wilson. That kind of shows up when most of their album. But like, I wasn't really sure what this album was like supposed to be like. I felt like the mood was a little bit sort of hard to grasp, I guess Um. Well, I was jumping there, because my my big takeaway from this film is this is happy pokey Pon tree. Yeah, maybe that's what I was like surprised by him. Like I thought this is supposed to be like kind of gloomy...

...progue. Yeah, there's parts of this that reminds me a bit of like King Gizzard, to which that makes sense. For the journey stuff, I think the depressive impression is maybe because of where they left off those last three albums or less dead wing with the last three. Fear of a blank planet and and the incident are, yes, much darker albums in their discography, whereas some of the early stuff, like lightbulb sun is really bright. You know, Sergeant Pepper's sounding, which that's the one album of theirs that I don't really get along with, but I know I think Eden really likes that one. That's one of his favorites. So like they have done this brighter pro sound before. But yeah, they're the more modern stuff that they're known for and left off with was much darker, to the point where the the incident, it's not like a as much as I like some of the stuff on that record, it sounds like they were kind of forcing themselves through it a bit, whereas this one, I think the major difference and why I think this is definitely a better album than the incident, is it just sounds like they're enjoying themselves. Definitely got that. Yeah, I think you're right to point out the bass playing as well. Like that really stood outs me throughout the album. But like, yeah, the Bass is the lead a lot of the Times on these songs, especially yeah, heredian opens with the Slap Bass Riff, which I normally don't care for slap bass, but I really like it here. I think Heridian, and that's how I'm saying that, is a great song, almost to the point where, like, I think it's the best song on the album and it was the lead single from six months ago and it's the opening track where I'm like, the rest of the album is good, but it never gets quite as good as that, even though I really like it. The other stuff that stood out to me was wrath's return, as you said, mostly because there's a lot of accusations towards Steven Wilson that he ruined o path. Is that what that's alluding to? Well, just that the riff sounds like it could be on on those different albums. Like, definitely that songs arguably like better than lotther than you were open to, and I actually I really like the first. What's the first path? One? Heritage, I quite like. Yeah, yeah, probably would greats return over anything off the other two albums. Yeah, and the other one that stay outs to me was herd calling, which sounds a lot like tool with that sort of sludgy stuff and then then the vocals. So a bit of a modern prog metal mash up going on throughout this album. But yeah, I think it's cool. Um, yeah, it's probably not going to make my end of your list and I don't think it's in the same league as, yeah, the classic albums, but yeah, it's a good sort of mid mid tier porkeypon tray album that yeah, I like this and if they want to make more albums like it, I'm here for it. Yeah, okay, I need to spend a little more time with it, but yeah, definitely a lot of cool ideas here. That kind of makes me happy they're back because they're kind of curious. What if this is kind of their new sound, if they did put a new album that they're going to gonna stick with? Ye, yeah, there's a little bit of a parallel with the Alexis of fire album there, where it does feel like dipping their toes into a new direction, but I think it's more realized here than on on the Alexis album. All right, are we ready to move on to Creator with hate? Uber Alice not technically a comeback album. That can sort of be categorized that because this is their first new album in five years, I think it is. which is a fairly long gap for them. Now there was five years between the one beforehand as well, so I'm full of it. But before that they were putting out albums fairly regularly, every like three or so years, and I I'm the Thrash Metal Guy, I obviously like created up. They're great, but I saw you. As I said, I've been stalking your listening to this list, and in the last grade we put out you threw this album in there. Are you you're secretly a creative fan. TRAMP, I won't say I'm a large Creator Fan, but they have always been. Like I say, I'm not really a thrash fan in general, but they have been the kind of one band that I have enjoyed for the most part. Back when I was kind of first getting into like mellow death, just kind of my introduction to extreme metal, I had a friend who was big into thrash, like megadeath and stuff like that at the time and he had shown me some a bit of Creator. I think I listened to enemy of caught God from like two thousand and eight or something, and I think what like stuck out about me is that is like his the vocalists like kind like that's always been kind of the one thing let's turned me off about thrashes. Them less into that kind of shouty vocals kind of typical of thrash, and he has almost more of like a raspy kind of it's got like a bit of almost like a blackened kind of voice, I guess, and I think they do have a bit of like melodepth influence in their sound. That kind of appealed to me. So I'll say I haven't really been listening to them since then over the last like ten or so years. I did check out that album more, mostly because I saw it on the list for the PODCAST. But UH, yeah, it's okay, like it's coming down to fine define barriers coming out here. It's yeah, it's I'll say, it's not really for me, but I didn't hate it, like there's there's a lot of cool, cool things in here that they can appreciate. The thrash and this album does in general. I think it. I do find it gets a little bit repetitive, like,...

...like, given some of the vocal lines and the lyrics are. It's Aletic. I guess maybe that's what threshed as well. It's for pumping people up in that kind of stuff. Yeah, I don't know if it's totally for me. All Right, I'M gonna go off here, so sit back for it. I you can try all you want. I don't think you'll find better. I can withstand the onslaught of this album that this thing earns. This is so awesome. I'm a I'm a huge creative fan and I wasn't huge on on their last album, gods of violence, from from which, strangely does seem to be one of their more successful albums from recent years. Like I've seen a lot of people wearing their shirts, shirts with that album around, maybe just because it's the most recent one, but they're they brought in a lot more traditional heavy metal influences, which we're interesting, but I like them when they're they're being a bit more extreme, which I think they are on this album. Like this album just goes especially when the the first the title track, which is like the proper opener, hater Browas, and it finishes and then killer of Jesus comes in like like it's almost like they're about to stop the song and then they're like, oh now, let's do it again. It's essentially the same song but faster, and then it never really stops. And and this album just doesn't stop. I don't think this is like one of their absolute classic best ones, like I don't think it stands up stuff like enemy of God or violent revolution or the early albums. But, as you said, this gets me so pumped listening to this, especially strongest of the strong, which is just dumb fist pumping metal, as basic as you want to be in concept, but just executed so flawlessly. That song is so fun to listen to and I don't know what's going on in the video because you have you seen the video for this song? So it's them. They're out in the desert, they're playing thrash metal, they're rocking out and there's guys tearing around on dirt bikes, but then there's also like cuts to like news footage of wars and oil and things. So I have no idea what they're trying to say. I know, like a typical thrash music. Yeah, it's like put all the things, because this is like the most thrash song, so like just put the most thrash visuals. I don't know. If you look at it's like oil and then or we're on dirt bikes riding across a barren landscape. Maybe there's something there's not. Um, they were just like, you know, to be sick if we went to the desert. Like yeah, the other the last song, dying planets, is like an environmental thing. So maybe maybe there is something there which, you know, they're just a lots of bands are doing the environmental thing. But something that is really refreshing about creator and this album in general is how how liberal and progressive they are compared to other thrash bands. Like the vocalist, guitarist, milly progersa like like he's a Vegan. The last album had a song side by side, I think it was, that was all about standing with with lgbt q people and you know, not just be like Oh, they're singing about things I agree with. But you know, I think next month or the month after I'm going to have to grapple with how much of a conservative ship head Dave mustain is when we talk about the new megadeth album and have expressed some concerns about some other thrash bands, you know, the Libertarian, sort of conservative lyrics that have always been part of the genre but seemed to take on a new meaning post the guy from Mycet earth storming the capital. So it's just really refreshing here that creator have these more progressive subjects but go harder than any of those bands and I think unless you're a testament or maybe several tour or better. Yeah, I love this album. The only thing that doesn't really work for me is midnight Sun, which has the the guest vocalist. I did fan that a little bit of a weird fit in that song. Yeah, Sophia Portney or Portnet Portney. She's German, so they're German. So I think she's like a German pop singer. I don't know anything about her. I don't think it really works. It's not that she's on the song, it just her vocals don't fit. It sort of reminds me of when Dimmu Borga brought in the vocals on on their album that no one liked. But that that is the one moment on this whole record where I'm like, oh, that didn't quite work, but points for trying. Everything else just like it gets me so ramped. So yeah, I don't know if this will make my interview list, but it might. I'll give it it. That's what it kind of set out to do, which was just be pedaled to the middle sort of thrash. Yeah, I mean that's what you want, then yeah, that's certainly satisfies that. But yeah, I mean it might just be a nut for me album. Maybe my thrash phase, which shore it lived mine, mine has never died, much like creative slop for that. I mean that's the other thing about them. They've been doing this pretty much since thrash metal was a thing. Yeah, yeah, is their debut and like they did the weird experimental stuff in the nineties, but even then that stuff is pretty good. They've just been doing this because, I think, yeah, they just love doing it and that definitely comes through. The other thing I just want to point out about this before we move on, is just how blunt it is. Like with with some of their other albums there's been a little elements to a like enemy of God was a bit more melodic, and U God's violence had the heavy metal thing. Like as as we've said, this is the thrash metal, thrash metal album, but it starts off with the Sergier cover.

CAMBUCCI is dead, where he's the director of of Django and Spaghetti Westerns and things. But like that's a dig at metallica right with starting their songs. I mean, what's it's not? WHO's the composer that died in her Mark Kearney, the composer who did the theme for the band and the ugly the METALLICA started all their conferts with, like the song was definitely called in here. Marcarney is dead right, Um, and then like he died last year, or two years ago now, I think, and maybe someone pointed out like that's not that tasteful and they're like fine, we'll just pick another western guy, but like that, that's definitely their subtweeting metallica there. And then go and watch how much harder we go than you. And Yeah, I mentioned it before, but we've got a song called killer of Jesus. Wi's just just the choruses. I am the killer of Jesus. I love it. The notice yet, but I think it works here, Um, because the other thing is all of these songs have a big chance section, like every single one, the title track especially, and every time it just gets me. So yeah, big fan of this one. All right. Shall we move on to our special guests? Yeah, we we have quite a stacked special guests as well a lot of big releases. Are there any I mean, I've got a rough order there, but I'm happy for you to lead the discussion. If year, first of my list was Karda Chev so yeah, alright, let's talk about Karda Chef, who are a band I kind of associate with you because you popped up in the slack or wherever we were posting when their last one came out and said Hey, this is this is pretty cool, and I checked out and I went yeah, this is pretty cool and I never really went back to it, but I recognized the name because of that when this one came out. So are you a long time fan of the band? I am. I was, he could say, a early adopter, to use a technic grand name there. Um. Yeah, actually, Um used to help run the record label that they're they first signed with. So we're some of the people like first discovered them after their first like ep back in probably two thousand and thirteen, four teens and like that. So yeah, I've been a've been a fan for since they're very early, early years. Well, I I have to thank you for discovering Kadashev and after my attention, because liminal rot is absolutely one of the best albums of the I think this album is just utterly amazing. I love it. Yeah, I have to say I'm I feel bad for not loving this album as much as I do, like, partly like because of like my history with them and everything. But, like, I know, I like like it, like I liked everything about their sound really, like I like to think I coined the term death gaze actually for them back in the day. So, like I like everything here, I just like like I've listened to it a ton of times. I just found myself really like struggling to kind of put into words my thoughts on it for some reason, like like it might be because it's kind of like the third album in a row or third release in a row. They put up pretty lengthy EPS that are kind of blending the lines between EP and album, but they've all kind of been the same like ideas and the same sound really that. So it might just be a bit of like fatigue on my side with that. Doesn't have the kind of wow factor anymore to me, like, despite being liking everything they're like, are you a sports fan, Josh, I am not. There's so, it's I am so. And like the NHL, NHL National Hockey League draft was yesterday and something that I hear people using to describe players a lot is like their floor and their ceilings like basically kind of self explanatory, and that I found like I could apply that a bit to this album. Like I think like the floor is like really high, like there's not really like weaknesses or things I don't like about it. But like like the ceiling just isn't as high as I expected it to be. Maybe like they aren't like really furtive highs, so to speak. That to me like can and again that might just be a bit of like a fatigue of listening to them so much really over the last ten years or so. But yeah, like they do do a lot of like kind of contrasting like moods, and it might be mark their vocalists like best album. Like he seems to just like keep getting better and better. Like I know he has a huge youtube channel now where he does like vocal kind of guides and reactions to other vocalists and stuff, and I have no complaints about any of that. But I don't know, I just found I think maybe I liked a bit more on their last release. I find of had a little bit more of like a floaty, Serene feel to it, and this is a bit more and like the kind of like a grammar, darker album. That can contrast definitely. So if you set a lot there, that I want to jump off. But first of all, is what you're telling me our role, that these guys have better albums than this. It's hard to say. Like it's if so, I need to listen to them. I would listen to periperty. I think that's their last like official full length or earlier stuff. Like they kind of started off as a like progressive deathcore band with like gentle elements. Is kind of like a bit like EXO planet by the contortionisty, that kind of vibe. I prefer later contortionists, so that might not jelp for...

...me. Yeah, they and they've definitely kind of gone the more more kind of black gays influence and then they started doing mark start doing is more like operatic vocals and stuff, and on the last couple of releases too. Yeah, if you haven't heard the last, I guess you heard the last EP. But I check out their last album. I definitely will, because if it's better than this, then it could be an all time I I absolutely adore this album, but that is maybe because, yeah, the only ones of this I've heard are this and D P, which it's time me. I came out last year. I swear it came out there and I think it was re released. They signed to meddle bleed right, but that is the the borrowing of shadows, which, yeah, I checked out and thought it was cool. But yeah, I think there's a big shift in sound between that album and this. Not like a departure, like I can see the continuation in the transition there, but like you're talking about them as a gaze band and I don't think there's a whole lot of gaze on this album. No, yeah, it's a it's a lot more a progue. I would call this progressive prose metal, rather than anything gaze related. So and I definitely heard more of that floatinus on on the EP, whereas I think here they've stripped that out and this is a much more I don't know if darker is the right word, but darker in tone. If not subject. No, definitely a subject now that I'm thinking about some of the things that happened on it. And Yeah, just just a harder hitting album. So maybe it's, yeah, just a more tasting, as me being the person who likes creator. But no, I think this is amazing and transfixed by it from the moment it starts. I mean something about this is I just love the drum sound. It's almost electronic sounding, but it's just rather than, yeah, like a floaty sort of reverbi drums, which I normally really like here it's just like really thick. I guess, like you know, I associate it more with like a triggered sound that you might associate with someone like lamb of God or something, but it just it just hits so big. Their production has always been a bit like contentious for people because it does have that almost like synthetic kind of sound to it, but I do think it works for their sound. It's almost like it's become like a part of their like identity, having that sort of a weird dish production. But yeah, it works. It works for me and this album to have no complaints there. Yeah, it works for me so well on on this album and there's a bunch of like, yeah, more extreme metal touchstones that it reaches out for me. Like the vocals remind me actually a lot of the guy from soil work, just the melodies and delivery. If not they're like the turn so much, but there's a lot of stuff there where I could see. What's his name beyond seed? Does anyone call him that? If that really feels like someone trying to give themselves a nickname for like third no, no, that's I feel like I've seen it enough that like that's kind of what I like associated. Yeah, yeah, but it's always beyond speedstrip. No one's ever just like Oh yeah, speed from soil work and no one says that. But yeah, it reminds me of him a lot if maybe he went a bit more floaty and Proguye. And some are like like early Devon Townsend stuff, ocean machine rats. got that sort of vibe in the riffing, which I think comes together with the drums. So there's some moments that remind me of leprous when they get a bit more gradio and floaty. Yeah, I think it just has that more aggressive edge to it that really grabs me and pulls me in rather than I get a bit lost in the floaty stuff. Like, yeah, I did really like the barring of shadows. I thought that was cool, but that general gay sound doesn't always hold my attention, even if it grabs it to begin with, whereas this just drags me through the entire time, which even like I think you could say maybe it's it's a little bit long, but some of the latest stuff is some of my favorite song of them. I love how this album ends. I think beyond the passage Novembers which is the ending song, is, yeah, probably my favorite on the record. The voiceover that comes in, which is something that you know, has become a bit cliche and Hacky that I think we'll talk about with some of the albums we're gonna talk about today, but just really works here. Sort of reminds me of that last cattle decapitation record even and then I don't I don't know if I necessarily want to spoil for people how this alm ends, because when it first happened I lost my ship and the very tome. I've gone back to this album. It has had the same effects. Or some people might listen to and go, Oh, is that all? But yeah, the way this old man's really worse for me. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, my first song might be the I think it was the first single, compost s grieve, yeah, the compost grave song. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that means. If it sounds cool, it does. Yeah, like they've always been kind of compared to Fallujah a little bit with their general like atmosphere and they have those kind of like higher leads over top of like low chug kind of things. Yeah, and there's definitely a bit of that in here that it's I'm always welcome to hear. So I find myself as maybe a hot take, but like missing a little bit of their like Gentier side of their origins. Like okay, they're really good at doing these kind of like fast, like Tremelo parts and then like like stop and then just like a like Genti poly rhythm kind of thing and then back to like more like blast beats and stuff and just kind of like a bridge of like two sides of metal...

...that you don't hear that often. And they've kind of shifted, I guess, away from their more death core side towards this year more like post metal with some like death metal influence kind of vibe. And if people are liking it, then that's that's good. But again it might just be like less fitting to my like specific taste of what I liked about them. But yeah, I haven't seen any other reception to this other other than my own sir, is it it's not just me who's who's raping about this album? Is it? No, I don't think so. I think I definitely have no people are big fans of it as well. Carlo and I have been pretty open about the fact that the fit from an autopsy album, which I think was the first new album that I heard this year. It was the first album that we talked about on the on the podcast that has been consistently olb of the year since we started doing this and and still is. But this is this is the first album that's come out as genuinely challenging that I I love this. So I recommend checking it out. And if you was telling me property is even better, that's I'm going to listen to that as soon as we finished doing this. So I'm excited to dip back into their catalog. Yeah, check out I don't know if if you like that, then yeah, if you're open to their more like death corey kind of stuff, they have an EP called a Yoda that I think. It's just like one long song, but it's it's just quick. Good. All right, I will check both of those out. Do you want to do White Ward Next? So what would who could have been a headliner? I mean all those labels are completely meaningless, but it's more to do with how much we have to say about them than how they are. But white ward a band that have been building their presence and reputation pretty steadily for a while now within extreme music scenes and were their last album, which I am stalling while I bring it up and remember what it's called, love exchange failure. Love Exchange failure from twenty nineteen was the heavy blog collective album of the year, which I think was that that last time we did a collective album of the year. It might have been, I think. So we were at the point where we went, you know, everyone just likes different stuff, so this is kind of meaningless. But that year I think that was well deserved and representative because I think it was in like everyone's top ten somewhere. I think it was like my fifth, sixth favorite album with the year. Yeah, I was in in my top five to at least. Yeah. So this is a a fallout that. had a true song single in between last year that I listened to once and never thought about again. But they are back with false lots, one of the most anticipated extreme metal releases of the how are you feeling about this one, Trent? I love this album. White Word or probably one of my favorite black metal bands right now going even if you see the kind of like saxophone element is like a bit of a gimmick. I think they've grown better at incorporating it on each album. Like I love their debut. I think could still burn knowledge off of that album. Might still be my favorite song by them, but I think it's just over time it's just grown to be like a like a seamless fit into their music, and I'd say this is probably their most like kind of ambitious album today. It's a lot more kind of dynamic and they're experimenting with some new sounds. Like there's a couple like very post Punky, almost new wave parts on the U and some like clean vocals and stuff, and it all works for me. I find a lot of their like songwriting, like even on there there's a couple like ten minute plus songs here that don't feel like their ten minutes just because they just have a really good ability to keep a song flowing and like kind of moving along with being unpredictable and like you're you rarely kind of know what you're gonna get next on on this album other than cool black metal with sometimes saxophone and but yeah, there's probably more like synth use on this album, which was a bit unexpected, and it's maybe a bit less like black e's which you might be open to. I guess it's it seemed to be into a little more like post metal and prog leaning at times. Um, but yeah, I think there it's probably the best sort of realization of Dirk jazz kind of sound. And do you prefer this to love exchange failure? I I think so. I think love exchange failure was like the album I think like everyone kind of wanted from them, like after their first album, which, like I had a lot of cool ideas, but then like it feel like people felt like, okay, this is let's see where they go, and then love exchange failure just like okay, yeah, they did what I wanted, and then this album is I'm kind of glad it's not a kind of purely tread of that album. Like I kind of appreciate their experimentation. I saw someone point out that for some reason non British bands insist on doing like British accents when they're doing punky's stuff, which definitely kind of comes through in here, but not like too jarring. But how did you feel about this album? Well, I'm going to get one back for Kardashevan Creator, because I think this is fine. I'm a little bit disappointed by this. Like I don't think it's bad album. I think it's a worthy follow up, but this isn't hitting anywhere near the levels of love exchange failure for me and I think it's I think that's some pretty glaring problems with it, with one exception, which is Leviathan. The opening track is incredible. That song is amazing. That should close all of the concepts which the idea of even seeing this band life seems a little bit silly just because of how like right years and and Proggie they are. But like that, that song...

...is an instant classic. Like that's the one that that song stands like it could have been on the last album too. It's got a bit more of that like that ambitious scope too. It I think, than love exchange failure. It's less down the line for a given value of down the line when we're talking about saxophone and forward progressive metal. So that's great. That's thirteen minutes long, just a plus perfect. And then we take a hard right into blandtown with soult paradise. What? What is this song or track or whatever? They definitely decided to try some new things on this album. So for people who haven't heard this is like an old dude mumbling for five minutes or something like that. Yeah, is this album that has like everyone just has like some weird speaking in the background. It's like almost going for like a neurosis sort of thing when they go into slower, more like reflective stuff rather than the crushing every stuff they do. And I think, I think it could have worked like but not as track too. I think you need to earn their rather th yeah, yeah, and it's it's, sort of, yeah, up and down for me. Like I think Phoenix is phonics. Phoenix is like back to that heavier sort of expected sound. I think it's good. I don't think it's exceeds expectations so much as as meets them. Like there's ambition here, but it seems constrained by just do the same thing but longer a lot of the time. Um, I think science circles has some really cool like Melodic Guitar leads that shot up for like twenty seconds and they disappear. Or twenty seconds even too as long, probably like two seconds. There's moments like that that jump out to me, but then they don't really stick with them. The same with there's maybe maybe it's all in science circles. There's a song that has like this big groove riff that drops in, but again they do like two repeats of it and ditch it, which you know can be cool when bands do that, but free a band as like drawn out and meditative as white wood, I sort of like them to sit in there a bit longer and by the time the last couple of tracks come around, like like false light and current house and stuff, I'm just a bit bored of it by then. Yeah, that's fair ahead, and I do like that they're kind of like not afraid to just have almost like metal core influenced like riffs and grooves and stuff. But there are there are parts where it's like Oh, yeah, that, that's cool. Can you do that more? And I was saying the spoken word section at the end of the cards of album was a real highlight for me. Downfall which so we have a near fifteen minute title track that sort of ends going nowhere, for me at least, but okay, fine it. It fades out. And this seems to be a regular complaint I have about some of the albums we've covered on this podcast is we just get a three minute track of like a history lecture of some sad piano? Why? Why is this here? The album should have ended already. Some questionable choices. I get that they're branching out, but this, to me, is is far less successful at what they're going for than than the last one. Yeah, I'm curious. So where the kind of consensus on this is? I can definitely see a lot of people like agreeing with you. Everything I've seen is has been raving about it. So, yeah, they're definitely the these eight gayste ban and at the moment and deserve like. I'd rather this be that, the big album that everyone's talking about, even if it's not really connecting with me, like, it's definitely interesting and pushing into different areas. Yeah, not not many bands that sound quite like them, except for one that we'll talk about later. But well, do we want to talk about them now? Are we talking about the same band? Do we want to go to board? Yeah, let's let's do swap swamp board. Who the hell is swamp board, Trent? Where did you find this? I don't know. I saw someone posted in some random place on the Internet. It was like immediately it was like, how is no one else talking about this. Like I love this album. It's up there. I might like it more than white word. I'm just like kind of baffled that this isn't like a bigger deal. Like it's kind of like white word but with more like hard hitting black metal riffs and like more like explosive sound in general. With there is saxophone, but there's it's not on every track like. They probably have a bit like broader range of influences. I think there's here a bit of like ne obliviscaris and similar stuff. So like Carlo might be into that. Some like violin and other strings on it. Um, yeah, it's just the combination of that kind of like post black metal with unexpected instruments, but with a lot more like shred like there's Sweet Guitar Solos on here, and I think something kicks ass. It definitely does. This is great and crazily not some kind of sludge metal album, given that they called swamp borne. Like the weird thing about this album is the is the bad name and that goes some pretty weird places. Yeah, I think maybe white wood for me, is suffering by comparison through Kardashev in this like maybe for the come out some other time, I'd be more open to it. But Kardascheva doing something different where it's swamp borne, I think. Yeah, they're playing in the same area and just doing everything better. As you said, the saxophone is there, but it's not every track. When it comes in it it has impact. And Yeah, they bring in so many different things, like there's an accordion on one of the tracks and there's umpets. Trumpets become the man. It's...

...really, really good touch. has this like almost like EU fork, like triumphant feel that anything with trumpets sometimes does. Like just that mixed with like pretty hard hitting black metal riffs is it's cool. This is definitely a darker record than white wood, which I think you could just tell looking at the covers, like this is like a black purple hourglass thing or something. And then something we didn't talk about with white water is, I hate to cover a false slip, just that shock in the worlderness it kind of gives me like I don't know if that's really going for it, but a bit like twenty four vibes. What does that mean? Like, uh, kind of like midsummer, like all those sort of kind of bright but slightly unsettling kind of imagery. There's nothing on settling about this today, not really. It's just a house in the field. And what is this arcade file? But the cover for their EP at least. Well, I was going to car the other way and say that the cover of the Apid for me, which is like it's a dead deer in the snow, that is far more evocative and to me, yeah, I don't know, it's just not connecting here. But that is to say that swamp Boarne is like like a more focused, a more experimental, a darker version of white wood, and it's just great. It's like, I don't know, and it's so well the other other band it reminds me of, if we're going like White Wood, plus is ruins of Everest, who we don't talk about anymore, but the last album was was very good, and some of those ideas shot up here. Russian ruins of Barrass, I think they're German. Okay, swamp. Where a swamp on from? Pretty sure the Russian. Now I feel bad putting them against white wood, Ukrainian, but yeah, that this albums great. Something else I really love about this, and this is weird, is the flies at the end. I love the flies at the end. I don't know why. There's so cool. ADDS to the kind of atmosphere. Yeah, there's something really, really dark about this album, even though it's like bombastic. Is How we've just done our voting for the best album with the first half of the year or whatever, and I don't think this is going to make it. But it should. It should. I'm immediately going to go and tag everyone in our slack and make them listen to this because they need yes, so that is beyond ratio. So listen to it before they go in at you and the quote tweets, baby early adopters of swamp boss. Yeah, alright, we're too. Next then, Trent do, Vatican, Vatican, okay, an album that is getting a lot of hype, especially among the hardcore folks of the blog, which we didn't really introduce you at the stuff, but you and I both contribute to the hardcore column, though I think, coming at the genre from fairly opposite ends. And Vatican I don't really know of, but I've just seen a lot of people, including yourself and Calder, who wrote it up as the best hardcore album of the year so far in the posts that just went out just raving about this, this record. I'm definitely a fan. I think it took a couple listens for me to think I kind of grew to like it more on like sepubsequent listens, but it's just a lot of fun. I had heard some stuff by them before. Um, I don't remember liking it as much as I like this. Like I think there's quite a few bands kind of doing this sound now. It's kind of like a metallic hardcore like sometimes some like new metal influence and generally like kind of kind of like the popular thing in metal core right now their sound. But yeah, I think that's just really well executed. It's more like versatile and ECLECTIC than I expected it to be. Like between the clean vocals, which I think they're not amazing, but like good enough to like make the songs work. Um, a couple of like barages of like technicality here and there like kind of remind me of the band sentinels, if you're familiar with them. Kind of like I think I've heard the name, but I can't play like technical modern metal core kind of thing. Um, I think there's some like electronic stuff here that works pretty well and I think the just all being in like a thirty four minute run time is really like the sweet spot for this sound, I think, like any kind of it. Yeah, like it's you're kind of in and out, punches you in the face and then says goodbye kind of thing, which I think is what you know, what this sound kind of needs. Like there's it's not really progressive or anything enough to really warrant more of a like. I think an hour long this kind of music gets to be a little bit Samy, but I think it's it keeps like you engage through like the thirty four minutes, which or now you a Vatican Fan. Um, I don't know if I am. And you've said a lot of things there that have shocked and surprised me, mostly that it is it is thirty four minutes long, because this album, for me, feels twice that. Yeah, yeah, sort of what you're saying about to get in and get out. I I don't think this album does that at all. For me, it at least my experience listening to it. Yeah, this album isn't clicking with me as much as it is that seems to be for everyone else. I think you're definitely right, it's well executed, it's a CLICKIC, it's interesting and it's like it's way different to their all the stuff. I'm looking through it now. I remember, yeah, checking out their album from Sol impulse. I thought that was remember them being more like new metal core, kind...

...of like. When I was listening to this the other day, like in preparation, I had it on the spotify because this is the one album that we're covering this week that I don't have saved in my library, which perhaps tells you something. But when it finished, it started playing a song off the seventeen album arch of eternity. That was called let me see slit of creation, which is just fucking gross. That sounded nothing like this. It sounded like bad new hardcore, really raw production. This as the cover, which is like the cover is really cool, like this robot that's sort of like like a deconstructed robot wise and things everywhere. Yeah, the production this is is really clean and like synthetic sounding, but for me it does the same thing over and over again, not within the same song but within the album. There's like three phases and it just feels like almost three different EPS. Misery signals is the big touch point for this. especially on the early stuff like slips or stream annihilation, sounds a lot like misery signals. And then I think the next song starts off with like Oh, we'll do a math corn now, okay, and then the third song is a new metal song and then you get like sort of this more emo leaning Ballad, for lack of a better term, like with the cleaner sapia vocals that come in Oh yeah, and then they're sorry, there's there's a like sugar riff. Yeah, and then halfway through the onlm they literally reset and do all that again, where there's a misery signal song, a math coore song, a new metal song and then the clean song song all in a row. It's like the same sequencing and I find that with these songs there rather than these like disparate interesting elements that I agree are really eclectic and well integrated in their moment, but they're not well integrated throughout the song. Like there's never a song on here that is like math core and the melodic stuff. For me it's always like you're there in one mode, it feels like to me, and none of it's really connecting to me. Like I think this is well done, but I think the first half of the album would have been a really cool, promising EP whereas, yeah, even at half an hour, I guess an album with this is sort of too much and doesn't go far enough for me. I agree. They do kind of do those like three different songs and then repeat. Like, I guess for me I find myself liking all three of the sounds they have going for. So it just kind of keeps it like from getting repetitive. From like track to track. has kind of like a flow it like it's almost kind of like a wave, like a heavy song, like Slower Song, Matthew Song, and then we can get back and then it's kind of what I can can see you're complaints. They were able to kind of fuse their kind of three or multiple influences they have going on here. It might make for a more interesting um sound, but I think if all, if all the kind of sounds work for for you, then I think you might end be in my place. But yeah, I think this is good. I'm just chucked at like how big a response it's getting, and I think that is because, like it's pretty different to what all the bands are doing. Like it is interesting. I sort of wondered, like if this was the new vein album, would I like it? And I think I definitely like it more than the new vein album. Yeah, I don't know. This is playing with things I generally like. It's just, yeah, not not clicking with me for whatever reason. Other people seem to love it, so that it's ultra by Vatican. If if you're interested, that's definitely worth a listen. Yeah, to me it's it's one of the one of the stronger medical albums I've heard this year. Medical and hardcore in general. I think I've been pretty lax this year until like the last month and that then all the bands put out albums, it seems, so maybe they were just waiting. I Donner Um. It's been a lot of big releases. I think there's a few coming up, but yeah, this is getting a lot of a lot of hype and hardcore circles. Should we move on to another hardcore Ye Candy? Sure. Yeah, so I am not a big fan of this album. I getting a lot of love and I can appreciate some of the ideas here. I think part of it has kind of like a noisy production. That took a little bit for me to get used to. Maybe I am generally preferred this kind of sound with more like a chunkier kind of a little more polished tone, but it does kind of add to kind of a general terrifying atmosphere throughout most of this album. I think the industrial elements are well used. I'm not a not a huge industrial fan, but they're like fit in this pretty well enough and that it's not like overdone, but they're they're definitely prominent. I think one of the highlights was for me it was keynesthesia almost had this like cybergrain kind of sound to it that, as a generally fairly big cybergraind fan, I have thought that was kind of the stand out for me. But otherwise, yeah, I can I can see why people like this, but it wasn't really clicking with me. It's fine. I'm happy to he say people are talking about this, because I I haven't really seen any reception for it and I was gonna by saying, like, why aren't people talking about the Selbum the same way they're talking about Vatican? Not that I think they should be talking about it instead of Vatican, but I think they should definitely be talking about it. As well as Vatican, which you're telling me they are, which is good because, yeah, this is heaven is here. This is their second album and yeah, I think this is great. I mean this is an example of how we're coming that artcore from different directions.

But this isn't my usual thing really either. I mean I like my levels, which we talked about on their the other episode, and usually go for that cleaner, more melodic, metallic hardcore thing, whereas this is like I I've been calling this power of violence. I think this is much more similar to something like nails and bands like that than, you know, straight ahead hardcore, which there was more of on their their first album. But yeah, the big shift here is there now. On the first album it seemed like they were leaning towards ault metal. That's, yeah, like nineties sounding at vibes in there, which, you know, we're trendy at the time, and industrial stuff is trendy now as well because of Code Orange. But whereas lots of bands seem to have jumped on the Code Orange Bandwagon after forever and have just been doing imitations of that album. There's a review I wrote of was leached, their last album, which I think is just more or less a carbon copy of what code orange were doing. This, for me is the first time I've heard a hardcore band in the last few years take the industrial thing and do something, I think, different with them, with it they're taking the same influences but going in a different direction, but also just doing it, doing it really well. I mean I don't think they're doing this as well as courte orange, like this isn't going to be my own with the year like underneath is, but what it shows to me is a real understanding of how industrial works. They're not just throwing those tones into hardcore song. So they start off pretty like power violency and then you hear transcend to wet, I think it is, which is like this yeah, completely electronic kind of yes, cyber sounding song. The other song I really like, or moment at the end, is perverse at the end, which is just this like noise freak out, which seems like something any other band would have thrown on their end of their album and I'd be going, why is their ten minutes annoyed at the end, but for this I think it's just done really well. It's got like an almost like psychedelic quality to it. It's not just abrasion like this. It sounds like there's something they're trying to come through getting beaten down by the by the sludge and the noise. Yeah, I'm really impressed by this. Yeah, I can definitely see it being popular amongst the power violence scene, like it's. It's definitely a cool take on that kind of and I'm not a huge poir of islence fan, like there's kind of take your leave it generally, but yeah, yeah, I can appreciate this coming at it from a different angle that I've never really heard before. So it's it's cool. Alright. which, what else do we want to disagree about? What about whatever, where we keep industrial angle going, a little final life, which you're the way you're approaching. That tells me, yes, we might have different thoughts about this album. Final light, for those who don't know, is a collaboration between the lead singer of cult of lunar, Johannes person, and James Kent, who was his Perturbata and and this was like a roadburn headlining sort of collaboration that they did for that festival and then they've gone away and put out an album. I do want to address that. Yes, we're talking about Perturbata here, whereas previously we chose not to talk about the carpenter brute album that came out because of Eden's article about Misogyny in synth wave. There's a couple of reasons I I feel comfortable talking about Perturbata, even though I think their song was what inspired in this article about that is, as in lays out in that piece, there really does seem to be a thread and ideology of violenced towards women in carbon of brutes music, whereas perdurbator use that imagery, but it doesn't seem like a consistent ideological thing and even if their song is perhaps the most heinous example of it, it is a single instance rather than an ongoing one. Also that this is a separate project that is unconnected to that. So that is why I feel comfortable talking about this album here. So that that is perturbator. Do you have any thoughts on Perturbata? and kind of a lukewarm synth wave fan, there's like certain acts that stick it to me. Perdurbator is never really like and I would say unfortunately prefer curtain or brute, and yeah, don't have a huge background with him. I'm sort of a casual synthe fan as well. I really didn't get it when it and when it came out, and then I've been finding myself liking it a bit more now and I do think Perdurbata are a band, along with carpet of brute and some of the others, where it's just like well, you're better than all than all the other ones. But it's kind of irrelevant because this is this is not a cent wave of album. But before we get into talking about what it is, cult of Luna, who Carlo and I talked about on I think was the second episode of the podcast color, loved their new album. Along with a lot of other people. I was not that big on it and found it really dull, despite being the bigger fan of them going into it. Did you have any thoughts about the cult of fluna album from earlier this year? I did like it a lot. Um, I've I've been kind of up and down with Calta Luna, like a huge fan of Mariner, their collaboration with Julie Christmas. Um, but I found a lot of their other stuff didn't really stick with me. Um, but I think part of why I liked the new album is that? A lot of it did remind me of the Mariner kind of the ideas that they're going on there. Yeah, this is final late is definitely something that, as someone is either a proturbator called a Luna Fan, I think your mileage may very like, depending on what you're expecting. It's not very either. have those bands, I guess. Well, can I jump in there, because what...

I was saying when we reviewed that kind of lunar album, Um, I was talking about vertical, was where I jumped on board with the cord of Lunar, which was their album they did before mariner, and I was describing it had like a brutalist a stake to it, like a real grinding pan to it, and this is sort of like a dark electronic industrial album. That is more in line with what the last perturbata release. But this album reminds me a lot of vertical, cold of lunar and for that reason it is clicking with me a lot more than that the new album has. I can see that those those comparisons to vertical for sure. I mean I was gonna say this sounds like vertical part two, but I think they released that there was literally an album called vertical two or something they did. This might be vertical three with a vengeance. But yeah, I like this a lot. You're sort of hinting that you do not. I think I wanted to get more than I kind of did. Sam's generally more into like the fun beat side of Synth Wave, which this is definitely not. No, like this is an industrial album rather than album. Yeah, it's it's very dark and brooding with it does well, I don't know. I found like the drumming on this got kind of like really like repetitive, like kind of similar. This like slow Um kind of tempo. It's like Kick Snare, kick snare, like through a lot of their songs, which fortunately gives me like nightmares. Back to trying to sleep at Um the last arc tangent while the band ghost, like g o St Ghost or whatever. Yeah, yeah, they were playing like a silent disco set, except with a live, like real drummer, so all you could hear was the drums and it was just like that same like drumbeat like for like an hour when I was trying to sleep, but like one o'clock just made my fault for trying to sleep at a music festival, but it's yeah, there's definitely stuff here. I like some of the stuff. Um had a kind of a more like cinematic, almost like blade runner fish feel to it to me that I appreciated. And like like every moment or every song that like like where the actual guitars kicked in at he stay, assuming it's real good hers. I found those moments like more like satisfying, and I think the album closer is probably the highlight for me. It kind of had me wishing like where was this the whole time. But yeah, I don't know, it didn't really live up to kind of what I expected from it. Maybe that was maybe that's pertly on me, but it was left wanting more. I can see that reaction to it because it is very like monitor. But I think because of that industrial brutalism like that is part of the appeal Um and for whatever reason, that that is just working for me way more than, yeah, the last couple of cold lunar releases, being the raging river and the longer north. Yeah, it reminded me of vertical. It's cool. I don't have too much to say about it because, as you say, it like it is just sort of saying that does come down to like if you click with the sound, you're gonna like it, and if not, it's probably not for you. But I was pleasantly surprised to find out that it is for me. I don't think it's as good as it was called of lunar releases, but yeah, it's good stuff. I think there's definitely more like room to explore kind of with this sound. I think they probably could bring in. I was I was about to say like the electronics textures like really stood out, like I guess that's what separates this from just being like fine, too good for me, is there's a little like electronic flourishes that are there and I think there is room to like maybe flesh this out into something that does have more of an aspect to it, like a little bit warmer, brighter electronic elements. So I don't know if they'll do anything else, but I sort of just check this out of curiosity, whereas if they did do something else, I'd be keen to hear it. All right, let's let's finish things off then by hopefully something we can agree about. Just how good the new astronaut album is. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, cool. Yeah, this is great an yeah, yeah, I'm a big ASTERNOID fan. I think air is still their best album and I'm a little bit worried they'll never top that. But it's I think there's definitely a step up from the last one, which I think most people found a little disappointing as a follow up to air. And I don't know, I have heard mixed things some some people seem to like the last one, but it fell a little short for me. But yeah, there I think something you'll find with a lot of my taste is I like when bands kind of fuse different sounds together um kind of new creative ways, and that's definitely kind of astronoids bread and butter with their almost like dream poppy vocals mixed with like proggy thrash, kind of almost black metal at times, like riffing, and yeah, it's just it's a really cool genre fusion that not many other bands seem to be even trying this sort of idea. So I did it. They did seem to be a little bit more Um u said since and stuff here, which was cool. I don't think it had quite like the memorable highs as their debut. Again, that might just be like a that was the first time or hearing that band, but lacking be in the wow factor, but like yeah, it's a well executed or kind of anything astronoid puts it will probably enjoy. No, I don't think how this has the same impact as as a just because Ao was like original when it came out, like really sort of a landmark...

...release. My thing with Asternoidiers I've always thought they were more interesting than they were enjoyable. Like I I sort of like the stuff and then three songs then I'm like okay, it's it's just this for like fifteen minutes. And I always found the dream thrash Monica like a little bit misleading and I get why it's there, but like there's not a lot of like there's thrash in terms of speed and just like traveler picking, but there's there's not that real like thrash structure to to any of the riffs or song structures. Like it really had more in line with the black gay stuff for me, but with the dream dream pop vocals sort of the mash up there. So I liked their last two albums and enjoyed listening to them, but they never really stuck with me and this one is just clicking with me so hard, which I think is because they've they've dialed some of that back, that Abrasive side, whatever that is, and really lent into the dreaming of progue stuff, and it really works for me. It makes the songs much more distinct and more memorable, I think. And, yeah, I love this album. Yeah, I think the title is a pretty good description of their sound. To radiant bloom. It's a radiant and blooming yeah, at the point here, like, yeah, it has less to do with Um, like I guess Sun Beata by deaf having being the big album that I think they were comparable to too. Yeah, again, early Devon towns and really seems to be the touch point for me here, like the start of sleep whisper reminds me a lot of accelerated evolution, which is my favorite Devon towns and album. So, yeah, that's a good take. Yeah, and just by making the songs, I guess, less abrasive all the time, makes them stand out. Like I can pick which songs these are. riff on eyes is like instantly hooky. Yeah, I like this. This is converted me from, yeah, I guess, a someone who liked the idea of asteroid to a found a fan at least, of this, this new direction of this. I like this a lot and I've been listening to it a lot more than fine. It sure is. Does that say this is a lot more than fine? All right, is that everything we have to say about our very special guests than so? Yeah, alright, let's get into a lengthy and stacked support slot. I want to start off by talking about mortionless and why is this one of the ones? You listened to her. I listened to half of it. Rightly, a good call also in why I banned that. I don't want to say I have a soft spot for because I don't have any real affection for them, but I have a vulnerability to Merci less and why. There is something they do things sometimes that they get me. Do you have any previous experience with Mertional less and why? I don't really have, other than like seeing pictures of them and hearing people talk about them. That kind of immediately knew it probably wasn't for me. The thing with merction less and what, and this is probably the most time I'm going to spend on one of these supports, because I did think about bumping it up. Is that their image, which is what they're known for, like they've got this you know, Weird Goth Circus, sort of emo goths image, is really misleading. Their early stuff is really heavy. Their first album sounds like bleeding for and then they say an album infamous from twelve, which I really like. That's where I sort of went okay, maybe maybe I'm a fan of this band. Literally alternates, it's like, track by track, between songs that sound like they could have been lifted out of a mid period bleeding through album and songs that sound like old age of grotesque arraor Marilyn Manson. And they just bounced back between those two modes, which maybe is a bit silly, but as someone who likes both those sounds quite a lot, I was there for it. There's also a bit of credible of filth and slipknot mixed in so are quite derivative, but just really well executed versions of sounds that I liked. And then they have they had reincarnate froeen, which lent a bit more industrial. That seemed like when they were starting to get their their own identity a bit, but then they sort of ruined it all with an album from seen called graveyard shift, which is absolutely one of the worst records I have ever heard. Ever. It's like really cringe e emer lyrics and like pop punk stuff and none of the heaviness that it doesn't work. It's really quite bad. So I was like all right, I'm done with them. And they put out an album called disguise in this as the last album. That has a horrible album cover that looks like it's going to be a bunch of yet new metal emo nonsense. That was back to just being really, really heavy. Um, not quite as heavy as the early stuff, but yeah, sort of that bleeding through mixed with new metal sort of things. So I was I was keen to go into scoring the end of the world, at which point I will now pass back over to you. You listen to the first half of this album and then you stopped. There's definitely stuff here I enjoyed. It's kind of more than expected to like. I found there's I don't know if does MC Gordon have a feature on this? He's on the last track, but it's not the track that you think he'd be on. No, yeah, I did find that there was some like doom soundtrack influence kind of stuff. You and I oh that's pretty cool. Cyber Hex, which is track eleven. So I don't know if you got to that one, but that was one of the singles. The main roof to that is bfg division, but that's not the Song Mc Gordon's on. Yeah, that's weird. It definitely just felt like it was kind of some influence peppered through that. So I dug that side of but...

I think the kind of breaking thing is I'm just not a fan of his vocals really at all. Like any side of them really was just kind of turned me off. And Yeah, that that was kind of the breaking point for me of being able to continue it. So I fully agreed with you. The first time I listened to this help, for the first couple of attempts I made it at listening to this help. I put this on, I was just like, Oh, this is this is crap. They've they're bottled again. We're back to the yeah, the more melodic side. I mean I actually think he's harsh vocals and the heaviest stuff is quite good, but yeah, the clean vocals that are very obviously processed and here they're leaning into that there's sort of like a artificial intelligence, industrial electronic sort of theme that runs throughout this album, both lyrically and sonically. So they're leading more into that. I don't think that he's cleaned. Vocals are the strongest and they really exposed the lyrics for being as Curinggey as they are. So, yeah, I didn't didn't like this at all and then yesterday I threw it on just like I'll give it one more listen before we talk about it on the podcast, I found myself really liking it. I don't know what was different and if I was just like in the mood for this, but yeah, the first couple of songs really go like meltdown is really cool. You've got the track five slaughter house, which has the guy from what what's the band hold? Like the one that do the half off things, knock loose? They got a song with the guy from knocklose that just go as hard as hell. Yeah, there's the song that sounds like bfg division from doom. So yeah, I found myself just I was like, oh there, there's more to this album than I thought. Like I think I've just written it off because of some of those choruses. But I don't know, I'd listened to these songs previously and the heavy stuff wasn't doing for me and just really clicked with me yesterday and even summer. I think the song that broke me the first couple of times listening to it was Werewolf, which is track three, which is like yeah, this clean song about, Oh, I'm a Warewolf, and for whatever reason just my my head shifted and I stopped thinking of this as yea, like a whiny emo song. This is a boy band song about being a Werewolf and that owns like I'm so into that, like what if the backstraight boys were like anther of hopes? It just worked for me. I mean there's still some I think porcelain and masterpiece are pretty cringe and the sort of like this. This album is thirteen tracks long, which is far too long. I think if you cut out maybe like the middle third, maybe from track six or seven to about track ten, which is where they lean into that sappia cleaner staff, and just took that out and put the first half and the last few songs, maybe starting from Cyber Heckx, you'd have a really tight and and impressive album. So yeah, maybe I'm back on board with this. I don't know. We'll see if like that enjoyment continues with revisits. But I think that despite their image and being completely off putting, I think there are more interesting and ambitious band than a lot of the bands they might be associated with. So I don't know, I'm not sure about this one. Maybe am I just am I an idiot? Is this awful? Yeah, it's pretty bad. Right, one of the first things I wrote was like surprisingly fun. So okay, I'll give you that. Yeah, so if you're in the mood, it's worth a shot, but I definitely say that the album before and infamous are much stronger albums. But yeah, maybe maybe there's still something in the motions in white tank. There anything in particularly you want to talk about or just want me to just to run through the list? The biggest standard for me was definitely the Noel album. That's when I throw in here because I knew you'd you've been talking about it. Yeah, and I know. Yeah, are a kind of death grind band, kind of in the vein of full of Hell Um that they've sort of branched into more like progressive and technical sort of ideas. Um like, especially on this album. This is their second album. Their first album was pretty wide widely enjoyed. It was definitely I think a lot of people on the blog dug it, and I appreciate that them kind of branching out more. I think the first album was more of a straightforward kind of death grain album and like that sound in general, like sort of meant to be like kind of consistent and repetitive, a lot of the kind of same grindy death metal ideas, but I think the more math core and like death death stuff here added a lot to it. A big fan of their vocalist. He does both kind of like a high kind of Grandy, screechy vocals, but also some like brutal low death metal Le Voice. and Um, yeah, they're like throwing in like some unsettling saxophone at the start of the song, throw of upheaval like kind of sets the tone for this sort of like unsettling, uncomfortable nous of their sound really and this is like the full of hell album I've been kind of waiting for since trumpeting ecstasy. Maybe a hot take. I think I agree with that. I definitely preferred this to the last couple of which I've never been like a huge fan of them, but they're the qualities is here on this one. Having said that, yeah, I put this on on and this is good. It's doing a lot and nothing about this really stands out to me like yeah, I think I'd prefer this to the last full of hell, but compared to trumpeting ecstasy, like there's something about trumpeting ecstasy that, even as someone who's not a huge fan of band, just here is that and goes, okay, this is better than what everyone else doing. The sound is doing. This to me seems like well executed version of something, but not a particular really distinct one. Like, even with all this wild stuff, like...

...are you even doing like experimental progressive groundcore if you don't have a saxophone freak out these days, there's nothing maybe, I guess, original here and there's nothing that sticks with me. And it's a lot like like this isn't easy background listening. So I get yeah, if you're in the mood for this sort of thing, it's it's a well done version of it, but it didn't really jump out to me as anything more than that. But it's doing up for you. Yeah, I think it'd be one of those albums that, like the time will tell how much I'll go back to it, but then I first feel listens, it's doing its job. So when do you listen to something like this? Because I'm I'm definitely finding that, as I say, girl like my interest in in grindcore and abrasion is is definitely waning off just because, like, when am I going to listen to that, even if it's good, I can't. I can't have it on the background and I don't really want to sit there and stare at a speak of it is that is coming at me with this. So when do you listen to Nol? That's a good point. I mean I personally can kind of listen to it in the background. Is like, well, I'm surfing the web, so but yeah, it's it is definitely kind of a time and place sort of album, and figuring out that time and places it could be a challenge, I guess. Yeah, this one specifically, like I can put on death metal and an extreme metal and have it on in the background, but this one like it's doing that. And now nathrack like strain screeches. It's quite jarring. So that is met and peric is that how we're saying the name of the metempiric by Noel with the K. All right. So we also had another big comeback record. We had in human spirits by Darkane, sort of cult technical thrash melodic death metal band. Have never really been that into them, but it was a big fan of their last album, which was the sinister supremacy. Really liked that one and, having gone back to them, their their first album, rusted angel, is an absolute classic. So there's some good stuff in there. I think this one is pretty good as well, but I've stuck it in the supports because there's not a whole lot to say about it. If you like riffs, this has got a lot of them. It's fun to listen to, but I don't think it's as memory wall or as Um, what's a better word for good, as as the sinister supremacy or some of their early material. It's it's better than fine. It's pretty cool. Yeah, it was probably on the fine barrier for me. Yeah, I'm more of a like pure melodith fan than the thrash year side of things. Um, so that the vocals were kind of the main thing. It wasn't that huge but kind of generally does what I want, like if I was from this genre. Like it's not a standout for the genre, for sure, it's say, but it's kind of does what it sets out to do. It's solid. Yeah, solid is a good word. Now. Um, something else that I think is sort of have that same assessment in a different genre is the new yawn album, or John. This is John Lander, a Norwegian heavy metal vocalist mostly known for doing deer covers these days, and his new album over the horizon radar. Did you listen to this one? I did not. Yeah, I didn't think you would. Um, John, I like John. I like John a lot because he got together with a guy called tron halter in I think it was seen. Give me a second, even older. Yeah, trynd Halter, who's a guitarist from like this terrible, terrible gland metal band from Norway or something, got together with John, who has has his has his solo career where he does a lot of covers but also has some cool songs. But was a vocalist for a band called master plan, which were all the guys from Halloween got kicked out of Halloween so they went and form their own band. Um, that sounds nothing like Halloween. They're like a really cool melodic, progressive sort of power band. He was the vocalist for them their first few albums. That he's on a really great so he has sort of his credentials there. He got together with Tron holder and put out an album called Dracula swing of death, which is a concept like literal ROCK OPERA ABOUT ABOUT DRACULA. It owns. It's genuinely one of the best albums of the last decade it's so good. So that's when I went okay, I like this John Guy and have sort of delved into his solo stuff. The thing where John is none of his albums are good. Every single one of them has like a couple of standouts. The same is true for this album, with the title track, I think is pretty cool, and then some of the songs. At the end. There's believer. I think it's the last proper track before then there's a track that he submitted to Eurovision and not get selected, called faith, bloody faith, which is pretty cool. So yeah, there's some standouts here and it's fine to listen to as an album, but I don't think it's one of his strongest. But I do like the fact that, as he's aging, he's on the cover shooting laser beams out of his face while bats fly around. Just he just likes doing it and and I find him fun to listen to. This album is surprisingly kind of subdued compared to some of his older stuff, despite that cover. So maybe this is John Mellowing with age. But Um yeah, there's enough here to warrant its existence, I think, but not a standout. Then we also had an album that I brought up on one of the last episodes called the scars of a lost reflective shadow by the chasm. Do you know the chasm? I do, I haven't gotten the time to listen to this album. It's kind of kind of curious too, because I know they're kind of like a almost like a cult classics sort of death battle band. Was...

...this a comeback album? So they know they're pretty pretty old school. Yeah, they've been around since I think it's the early nineties. Nine and ninety four was their first album. They were from Mexico and then then they moved to I think it's California, but yeah, there their first few albums are, yeah, big cult, cult death metal releases and it's kind of a comeback album and it was a surprise draft as well, like the sort of announced that we're working on a new album and then they put it out like two days later. I don't know if it's a comeback album so much as yeah, they're just they've become really sparse in their album releases fast. Seeing the paranormal from two thousand nine, which is my favorite album of theirs, where they went like you're really proggy and atmospheric, with lots of eight and ten minute songs on that, and then they put out album which really lent into that atmospheric stuff. That was more like, yeah, like a what do you call it? There's like movements and things. It was like more of a composition than a collection of songs. I didn't love that one so much. But then they just sort of disappear in between these albums. So that was five years ago and then they just came back. We're not we're working on a new album, dropped it two days later and this is not an atmospheric album at all. This is just straightforward blackened thrashing death metal, much like the dark an one. Really Fun while it's on a very solid example of it, but perhaps not that memorable. B S A a worthy addition to their catalog for sure. So if you're interested in just not the extreme metal, then yeah, definitely worth checking out. When we talk about darn gray with Philaris, I guess, are you familiar with their Darren Gray, I am not a not a big fan, I feel like fans of your own gray, like in General People's reception, it seems to be you're rather like a massive fan or pretty indifferent, and differently on the ladder side, I think I kind of like a lot of their ideas, but I think they're sort of that visual key, Kay, sure that hence they're that kind of sounds never really clicked with me and that's kind of the thing that stopped me from fully getting into them. Visual key thing. I guess it's calling someone a glad band. It's like yeah, but what do they sound like? Molder the image, because they're they're early stuff that like sort of made their name when corn took about on tour and things. Um, if we were going to do these in the order I had written down, I was gonna say when we got to the noe album after this, that no album sounds like earlider and gray. Yeah, there's just the abrasiveness and the wild vocals. Reminded me a lot of that out that's not the segment of them and I like. I do like their later sort of more ethereal progger stuff that they get into. They start off as a extreme, wild new metal influenced band, Um, and then they hit their stride in two thousand and eight with an album called Iraborus. It's still one album by them. They've probably listened to the host so I think it's generally considered. And then I am a sort of casual during gray fan rather than than a fanatic. But yeah, those three albums, so irreborous, dumb sparrow, sparrow, where they sort of went a bit more death care leading. I really like that one in and then they had an album called arch, which is more proggy and floaty. That album, I think it's really great. I had one more off that for this. Those albums are really cool. That's where they led into yet more of the probabier side of their sound. This new albums out and I think it's pretty cool but again doesn't really jump out. Like listening to it. It's really great, Um, and I can hear there's a lut going on. But then haven't gone back and listened to albums like arch and sparrow. Sparrow, you can just tell that there is a degree of quality and difference between those albums. But yeah, I think this album is like good. Did you listen to this one? I haven't gotten around. That's cool. Yeah, we're worth checking out. I think there's more. They're like it's not really going to grab people on on first listen. So if you do like what you hear, I'd say persevere. But they're older albums are better. What have we got left? What about antagonist? Antagonist a d cool band. Did listen to this one? It's kind of another band that there seems to be a few of them these days, kind of bringing back that like Gothenburg middle core kind of sound, and I think this wasn't blown away by it, but I think it's probably it's definitely above average for amongst ends kind of doing this sound and it's not terribly long and it kind of does what it wants to do and in short, amout a time and then it's kind of all you get from it, but it's yeah, android it. Well, I have a bit more to say about this album because I am an old school antagonist a d. i did link you to the article I've written about them, so I'm going to take it you did not read that and may have missed that. You know, when you posted and thinking like Oh, you know, this band are going to be cool when they have a d after their name. I said also when you know I have written about them, and I was very happy that you pointed this out because I missed it. Um No, antagonist a d. they're now based in Melbourne, I think, but they were from New Zealand. But when, yes, when I was a snotty team going hardcore shows every weekend, they would always play them and it's like they would fly across from New Zealand every week, I guess, to play hardcore to about twenty people in a Shitty Church. They were very amusing. Like. There's still a lot of this on the new album, but even as blunt of some of the stuff on on this album is, and they do have a mosh call. That is fuck you racist. Can they even more blunt on their...

...earlier stuff, like their their trademark song just had a breakdown where they yell out this world is fucking shit and it would break down that go vegan mosh call, things like that, and they were pretty, like, not not gimmicky, but there was, you know, a bit of tongue in cheek to the enjoyment, a Semiso, I. Ironic appreciation. And then they got good. Is the thing. Um, they sort of broke up and took some time off after a couple of albums of varying quality, and came back, Um, a few years ago and have been putting out like five or six track EPS which were called through fire all things and are renewed with a three piece. You put all that together, you get through fire. All things are renewed, which is this album. So it is a compilation of those EPS they're putting out and I think this may well be their best release. It's, as you said, it's got that Gothenburg thing, like they are now a metallic hardcore band as opposed to their early stuff, is very just like Chunky, beat down hardcore. Yeah, this isn't like the most amazing music, but it does what it says on the tin and it does it really hard, like, if you like malevolence, definitely check this out. Yeah, I like it. I think there's some good stuff here. GETS ME PUMPED FOR UM. What have we got left? Please tell me you listen to victorious. I did. I'm very glad you included as soon as I saw the album title and the album cover and like, oh boy, what do you want to tell them? What that title and cover are? So the album is dinosaur warfare, part to the Great Ninjo war, and it basically lives up to that titlehood. Yeah, so this is power metal. If it was power Rangers, medal yes, is their thing, but this is dinosaur warfare part two, because Donnotha saw warfare. Pot One came out back in it was only an AP six track. AP was called Dinosaur Warfare. I think it's legend of the power sours was the Centle yes, power source, two words. Power Sourus as its own. Now and I guess this is one of the best power metal releases of recent times. It's great. It's obviously doing the whole dinosaurs power rangers thing, like there's literally a sort of power rangers theme beat down that they going through in one of the songs. Also the Jurassic Park theme. Yeah, so I really liked that. Like and then was excited when they put out a full length in space, Ninjas from Hell, which I reviewed for the blog, and essentially toward the shreads for being boring and derivative and a knockoff of Dragon Force to the point where they cover is identical to the album cover out that dragon force put out a month earlier. So was apprehensive going into this one, but I think they've done it. I think they've brought it back. I think this is a lot of fun. It is I expected this to be like kind of gimmicky power metal and it definitely embraces the cheese, which I am okay with, with paramidal and but it makes the most of it. Like the Dragon Force comparison is definitely very much there, but it's her down, like Dragon Force meets Europe, like there's some of that, like Eo wire kind of sound like six cynth Solos, like someone who, like children of bode him, was kind of my first favorite metal band, and there's out to that like kind of back and forth guitar and Synth Solos. That's there's a song called triceps scare tups. Sure it's trend and it's the best song on the Alpham it's good. Yeah, some other some other song title highlights. We have God of Raw, which I appreciate. What else there is? Maybe just mighty magic mammoth. That's sort of doing the creative thing. We're like here's a song about a mammoth. Yeah, this is really good. This is I don't think it was quite as good as a part one. Did you listen to part one after this? No, I definitely have to go back. Yeah, I don't think it's quite as good as that, maybe just because it's twelve tracks instead of six. I do think you could cut some of this and I would recommend cutting all the songs about the Ninja's, not only because the dinosaurs is a way more fun and original subject matter, but I just find that the Ninja songs are not as good. So I would I would keep dinosaur focus. Guys, you don't need Ninjas. Everyone's doing Indias. Be The dinosaur band. Yeah, this is a lot of fun. Again, I don't think this is as good as the first one. I'm probably going to forget it exists at some point until they released in you I'm like, Oh yeah, but yes, a a worthy follow up to that awesome debut EP after I was very disappointed by the last one Um and our final support then, which I originally had peg to do as our cool people pick before you jumped on board, is origins by Scottish folk metal big wigs say or did you listen to this one? Haven't yet. It's definitely kind of been meaning to because they have dug some other stuff in the past. So this is folk metal, which is something that I am am not that into at all. But, having said that, say sort of the big band of that scene at the moment and I have really enjoyed listening to their previous albums. When I have they're not albums that I go to, but you know, people were talking about them. I check around went oh, yeah, these guys are good. Uh, this album is fine. It's I don't think it's as good as their previous albums. There's a lot of bad pipes, but if I'm going to listen to folk metal, it's probably going to be there and this does not damage that whatsoever. But I have I haven't really seen anyone talking about it,...

...so I don't know if it is seen as a dippering quality or if maybe people have just moved on. I'm not sure, but I was expecting it to sort of be a big talking point release and then just I haven't heard anything about it. Seems like it came and went well, that that was going to be cool people time. But we have one of the coolest people from blog, is heavy, on the podcast. That are you the coolest person heavy, you came up with the friends. Um, well, what did you call Karda chef something gays. You came up with that. I like to think so. Yeah, yeah, and you're you're too cool for their new album, which is obviously brilliant. So it's your Scott Right. You're the two coolest people on the blog. Yes, that's pretty cool. It's too cool for metal these days. Yeah, I asked you to put together a list of albums from earlier this year that we're too cool for me and Carlo to have checked out, and you have come through with a list of five bands here, which I think you've put in their in chronological order of when they came out. Yeah, yeah, so do you want to take us through those? Sure. So. The first is a band called lassio Dora. I think this was their debut album, called the mold M O L T. they're from Arizona. I guess this was kind of the first release this year that I just kind of discovered on the Internet. That kind of wowed me and was like, all right, I need to show people this because this is cool. Like the first sort of thoughts when hearing it was like if, like at the drive in, mastodon and converge wrote an album together, like progressive post hardcore, but through like a sledge kind of Lens. Like there's some very like Mastodoni riffs, but then more like kind of metallic hardcore kind of stuff going on too, and then there's like kind of clean post hardcore vocals. It's a little all over the place, but to me it all kind of works and fuses together and like a kind of surprisingly like refreshing way. Yeah, did you check list it? Yeah, I listened to all of these, Um a few times, uh, and I think I actually checked this one. I think you parched it about at it earlier in the year and I think I actually checked out there because I recognized the cover and the the song title, Comanchee Banshee, which do you know if their native American, because if they are, that's very cool and if they're not, it's probably I'm okay, but I checked this out and yeah, you've said like converge plus at the drive in. I my point of reference that. I think this sounds like between the barrier to me and Mars Volta Maybe, although I think mass is too far, but something in that direction that's not quite as wild at the drive in. So yeah, like more and more more psychedelic and yeah, not so much the tone as just the weird like they are unconventional sort of Latin influences and things from that you don't see showing up in in metal so much. But yeah, between the Barer to me was the big standout comparison. To me I didn't hear so much the the sludge side and mastered on. I didn't really hear any of that, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention. It's kind of more like there's like specific riffs. I guess that evoked that. I mean less so, yeah, less so the kind of overall sound. But yeah, that's so. It's a pretty cool album. Yeah, I like it. I think it's sort of like, if this is a debut, it's more a, you know, promising album than I realized one. I yeah, there's not really that that hope hoax to it or polished to it. That really makes it jump out. But yeah, it reminds me a lot of early between the bear to me. So if they end up, you know, going where that band did, it'll be good and I'll probably go back to this and I definitely check out what I put out next. So yeah, this is very cool, cool, approved, cool. Okay, next one. I don't expect this to be super up your alley. It's a French band called Chuck Hands and this is their first full length called don't think about death, which is pretty like on the nose for their kind of subject matter. This is basically like a hybrid of Post Rock, EMO SCREAM OH and post hardcore, and it's kind of like the mostly instrumentation is that kind of like melancholic strock of stuff, like kind of Caspian Ish Um, with some more like twinkly Midwest emo stuff going on. But I've I've always just really loved that kind of instrumentation combined with like Cathartic, like passion like screaming vocals and which is basically what this is, like something cool like gang vocals and stuff throughout and kind of like somewhat generic kind of post rock general like build and release sort of songwriting a little kind of like stretch out like a moment and then have sort of like a climactic kind of thing and then kind of rense and repeat. But I think it just executes that sort of style, like kind of exactly what I want from the genre. So this was one of the big standouts of the sound so far this year. was I write about this not being up here Eli Er. It's it's not my usual sort of thing. Yeah, probably of all the albums you picked, this is the most outside my usual wheelhouse. Having said that, this is cool. I like this. This is our right and it's closer to the...

...kind of thing I listened to that I was expecting going into it. I mean, looking at the cover, I was ready for some indie draws and then I put this on and yeah, it's like like sort of post screamer melodic hardcore. It is sort of like Indie rock if it was played by hardcore band. What it reminded me of, and I think this is a one of those silly points of comparison that I only make because I don't have any other point of reference or a real entry level comparison here. But have hard yeah, like a strained melody, car core vocal I mean I guess the band that that guy has gone on through fiddle head. I can see some of that coming through here. Yeah, this didn't really resonate with me and like I'll go back to malt lessia do or I probably won't go back to this, but I enjoyed it while I was on. I think it's good. Yeah, I think I said they're French. They're British. Actually, right. Okay, Um, I think I might Save Gospel for the end. It's probably my favorite of my picks here. So next I'll move on to luminous vault with their album animate the emptiness. I think it's their first release. Um, sort of like industrial black and death metal, kind of a supergroup has the basis from artificial brain and guitarists and vocalists from disembodied and another guy from the black metal band cast of it. Also, I think that I'll pack like New York kind of metal connection there. I've never heard of those last hear. Okay, it's pretty cool for me. But yeah, this like might be one of the best like fusions of industrial with like black and death metal that I've heard. Not that I've heard a lot of that, but based off of this, this is I dug it a lot. This is kind of what I wished. Like the final late album sounded a bit more like this is definitely more of a metal album, I think, then, like more has more death metal and black metal to it than final light does, especially on the instrumentation side, and it is all like yeah, for sure, all the drumming is all programmed. So depending on how do you feel about that, um, but I think I think it fits the sound well enough. Like that's kind of like a weird production. It's like a little bit kind of like fault, so to say, like like like I could see this album have like having been like hyper kind of processed and overproduced, but I'm kind of glad it wasn't. Like it keeps the more kind of raw, like almost atmosphere, kind of black metally sound to it, like there's some really like interesting lead guitar work and kind of throughout it, and it's I do find myself getting like a little bit um by the end of. It kind of drains on you a bit the sound, but it definitely felt like a fresh, kind of cool thing. I know, I know Jimmy from the blog was digging this as well. Alive, I think it was, was releasedunn profound lore Um, so it's probably gotten a bit of a hyper around. Yeah, it's definitely different. Like I haven't heard anything really like this. You comparison? Not False light? Is that the right yeah, false light. Do we decide? That's not white wood. That is one final late. Okay, Um, yeah, this is this is this is weird. This is weird. Trent Um, the cover is cool. Yeah, I'm not sure about this one, as in, like, I don't dislike it, but I have no idea how I feel about it. Like, as you were saying, there's lots of interesting parts and if they ever like fully come together into something. And Yeah, the cabinists production is like, yeah, not at all what I expected. You know, looking at the cover, I guess I wish there were maybe more electronics to this. Sometimes I feel like it abandons that to go for just sort of caveman death metal and it becomes less interesting. I don't know about this one. This is this is a lot. It is. Yeah, I probably put it here kind of to see your thoughts sign because, yeah, it is kind of it's an interesting experiment and I would definitely check out something else by this. You saying that they have a guy from artificial brain makes perfect sense. Um, we talked about that last album and I was saying that I wish they sort of lent more into the atmospheric stuff, which I guess they're they're doing here. Does that sort of connect for you? Yeah, for sure. I wonder if that was the base this from artificial brain. So I'm not sure how much of that he's springing to their sound or not. But yeah, definitely definitely worth checking out. I I don't know if I'll if I'll come back to this but, as I said, I would definitely listen to something else they did to see what where they've gone. Cool. So I'll stay in the kind of extreme middle sphere here with heaving earth and the album darkness of God. So this is a kind of dissent tech death band from check Ya that I'd never heard of until about two months ago when this drop. Basically, if you liked the last ulce rate album, you'll probably like this. I've been kind of surprised how sort of under the radar this is flown. So I think it's one of the better death albums this year. Personally. Um, it might be because I don't think it's on streaming anywhere, like it's only on band camp, so that might add to the under radarness of it. And Yeah, I guess this is their third album, which is a bit surprising that I might have to go back and haven't heard their earlier ones how they compared to the or not. But yeah, basically, if you like, kind of...

...dissonant yet melodic kind of death metal kind of I definitely hear a lot of I don't know if it's just me, but, Um, a lot of the last ulcerate on this stair into whatever. But I think there's a little bit more sort of typical test tech death kind of stuff, like, on top of those that the kind of dissonant chords and stuff, it's almost has like a neo classical feel at times. But Um, well, also it's a pretty pretty dense album. Um. And Yeah, this makes the other kind of fun tip about this is it's the Murr of because he's pretty famous Um amongst that, seeing the drummer of cosmic picture faction and IDs divinity. I guess he's gotten around a bit. Yeah, did did you enjoy heaving earth? Yes, yes, I did there, maybe not as much as I should. I have yet mixed, mixed feelings about this album, depending on on which part of it I'm listening to. Write. I I had listened to this album before and this is, you know, all the stuff you picked probably the closest to the sort of thing I might listen to. Because, yeah, as I was discussing with color on the on the last episode, I am a fan of like Gor guts and Ulster eating things. I was not a fan of that last Ulsterid album. They sort of lost me with that. I didn't really get it. I was surprised to hear that or see it being as ravenously received as it was. But I am a big face. Okay, well, no, it does, it seem. It's what I kept going back to, going like, what is wrong with me? What is everyone else getting about this? I'm a big fan of ever, everything is fire. Yeah, that we were talking about like the most brutal records on the on the last episode. That might be the heaviest album ever, certainly, certainly there. Yeah, I really like that and sort of the albums either side of it. So yeah, I liked also right and when they do get to the I mean obviously that dissondent vibe is there throughout the record, but where they really lock into the Ulster Comparisons, I think, is on the last few songs, beginning with the earthly Kingdom of God in ruins and the last song in particular. We're full redemption, which I think is great. If the last Ulstrai album sounded more like that, I dig it more. So I definitely like that and I find this album gets better as it goes, maybe pivoting around. Yeah, exactly halfway through track five with Cardinal Sin, which goes a bit more proggy, and I think that's where it gets interesting, because the early stuff is solid, but it's just sort of like derivative, dissonant death metal that a lot of bands are doing. And while they do it well, yeah, nothing about the early tracks stood out to me. It's sort of like, oh yeah, another band that like school guts and Morbid Angels, and I think they're kind of doing themselves a disservice by putting those songs forward, because it takes a while for this album to take off, but when it does I think it's really good. And so you said, they have the drummer from cosmic future fraction, because I just want to talk about them quickly because they also put out an album. Was It last month? Recently? So I haven't talked about here, despite being I was quite a big fan of the album they did before. I think it was even last year. I liked that one a lot. And then the death metal guys on the blog, John and I think Scott, had been raving about this one. Have you listened to crepuscular dirge for the blessed ones by cosmic future faction? I haven't yet. Actually, it's kind of on my to listen lists. Yeah, yeah, I have a couple of lessons and it just didn't didn't click with me. Sorry when I yeah, I guess I just like the lost one. I'm not this one. But then, having seen them writing about it, I need to go back to it's or want to check out as well. If you like hating Earth someone, let's take it back to Gospel. Then Gospel. So they are a kind of a little bit old school. I guess. Scream O band, or scrams, is the cool kids say these days. Explain to me what scrams is, because I see you guys saying that and I don't know what it means. It's basically just another word for scream oh that I think people, like fans of scream Oh, came up with to differentiate it from kind of what that term had been like bastardized into. So, yeah, it's scream oh in the sense of like early, like nineties two thousands, like a motive, hardcour sing, like before like eyeliner and straight bangs became what was a lot of people know as scream oh. So yeah, they put out arguably maybe the only like progress of scream o album like in existence. I'm sure there's some others, but it's definitely the most well known one. I think it's called the moon is a dead planet. That will check with that. Marion is a dead world. Yeah, then then kind of disappeared for a long time. That was like early two thousand's and most people assume they had kind of called it quit. So them coming back was unexpected but welcome and I love their album. It's probably my album in the year so far. It dropped a bit of the, I guess, most of the kind of scream oh more emo side is arguably a prog rock album more than anything, but he does still have a kind of like ruff, noisy, noise rock kind of vocals. To me he reminds me of a guy we're not shouldn't talk about it anymore, the vocalist of daughters, Um and I think there's a lot of kind of daughters kind of throughout this album Um, like other than the Prague side. But yeah, this is when people talk about Progressive Post hardcore these days it's thinking...

...of bands like they don't if you are like it's generally referring to more bands like dance, Gavin dance, like this one core kind of scene, which is basically like kind of popular post hardcore with like math rock and yeah, I was gonna say that's more mathical personal yeah, like where this is like post hardcore meets King Crimson and like yes, and like other kind of seventies, eighties prug, which is kind of a wild genre combination that don't know if I've ever really heard anything like that before. Yet. It has that kind of like there's lots of like Oregon and kind of big sounds going on. They're cool, like synth stuff, and but I think the guitar and Bass Work here are probably what I like most about it, and and the drumming like everything about the instrumentation here kind of blows me away. Like the first single, S R oh, just kind of like takes you on a journey of just wild out there instrumentation. And Yeah, it's just like a really cool combo him of crazy progue meets like unhinge kind of daughter Zy screaming. Like the last song, is probably my second favorite song on it, called warm bed, has a part where you just keeps screaming like it takes and it takes and it takes, and which is very like the last daughter's album to me. And Yeah, this will probably remain at least and I don't see it getting like kicked out of my top three of the years so far. It's a big fan of this and I was supposed to see them later this year. They're playing a Toronto has like a really cool all scream oh festival and with like a lot of bands from all overcome to called new friends fest, and they're supposed to be one of the headliners but just dropped off. So bummed about that, but at least we got the loser from them. Did you enjoy the loser? I did enjoy the loser. This is the one I've probably listened to the least and I actually I forgot to really listen to it um so I don't have that there's many specific comments to make about it. I listened to it a couple of times and I think of the albums you you picked for this cool people's segment. Maybe lassiodora is the one I enjoyed most overall and heaven earth maybe has the highest highs and later half of the album, but this is undeniably the best. I don't know if it's connecting with me personally, but I definitely need to listen to it more because it's just impressive. It's really cool. I'm surprised to he like yeah, thrown out like yes, and classic prog stuff. I didn't get much of that. Maybe, yeah, I haven't listened to it enough, but they're called Gospel for a reason, right, because this, this album, starts off and then I'm ready for Prince to come in and be all like deally beloved. Yeah, this is this is cool and to the point where I want them to go fully into that. What the one drawback from this that sort of not kept me from enjoying it but blocked me from going all in are the the screamer vocals. I don't think that bad. They just sort of like it seems like the rest of the band has transcended that and whoever the singer is, it's not that what he's doing is bad, but I don't know if it necessarily suits the music and I just wish there was like more variation in the vocal delivery. Yeah, he's definitely a pretty polarizing vocalist right, like, yeah, but I guess they would be a completely different genre, like if you had like a prog prog missing on money here. But yeah, I think maybe if there was someone who could do those like proggy cleans or something on here, it would be something that's more in line with where I enjoy but also, yeah, maybe match where the music is going. Because so you're saying you wish this sounded more like coheed and Gambria. Oh Yeah, I wish everything sounded well, like eating Cabria. Did you like that new coheed? I kind of surprised me. Yeah, I'm not a huge coheed fan, but there's I enjoid it. It seems to be getting like universal acclaim, which I'm really surprised by it because I was ready for this to be another one like your other Black Rainbow, where it comes out. I love it. Everyone's like, Oh, they've sold out, they've gone pop. It sucks, but everyone, everyone seems to be loving it. Yeah, I felt pretty similar to Carlo's thloughts on it too, like because I don't think he was a huge coheed fan either. Kind of going into it and I think we're both over kind of pleasantly surprised. But actually, when, Um, when I got the Times wrong and I jumped on a now earlier, I had now at a kill. So instead of listening to the New Gospel Album, which probably because if I remembered I had to listen like Gospel, I wouldn't. But I'm like now I've listen everything, curry goes on. Yeah, Gospel. Come back to me in six months after I've given a few more lessons and I might be closer to where you are with it. It's definitely one of I can objectively say, like that is one of the best albums. It's great. Yeah, it's impressive, is the right word for it. Is the first one like as good? Yeah, I think so. It's okay. If you his vocals are definitely a little different on this one like. It sounds like he grew up, I guess, a little bit more like a little bit more like youthful extending maybe, but had similar vibes to it for sure, like the prog ye elements and everything. Yeah, I would recommend checking out them both. There two of the better. I don't I don't know if I would call this a scream oh album quite so much anymore. Like to me it's more kind of prog rock above anything with like post hardcore and kind of noise rock stuff going on to if there's a difference between screamer and...

...post hardcore, this is definitely in the post hardcore camp just from okay. Well, thank you so much for sitting in your car next to a library or wherever you are for three hours to talk about these with me. I've had a very good time. Thank you so much for coming on now. I've asked you on here because Carlo is off experimenting on things, but he's doing that again next month when we have what I think are some some very friendly releases from the likes of appreciator, wake, Condur, ethic, Blood Command. There's dance game and dance. I don't know whether I want to talk about them or not, and and Sata and things like that. Would you be interested in coming back again for next month? I can edit in some thinking music if you needed. Oh, imperial triumphant as well. which are you? Are you a big fan of them? Carlor and I were going to do them for cool people time maybe, but they could be a headliner. I'm not all wait to see on the new album. But all right, so we can do them for cool people. We found something that is too cool for you, but it's not too called for Scott. So I think that makes him the coolest person at heavy block. He's going on leave soon. Sorry, yes, children, all right, well, thanks again. Any final thoughts? No, yeah, this is fun. Hopefully it didn't drag on too too long. This is definitely the longest one we've did, but I've enjoyed it um and I'm not sitting in a car. I'm at home in my office with the with the heater on. So hopefully next time we record there won't be a nationwide Internet blackout. All right, fingers crossed. Do you have a special sign if you want to do what I thought of one, but no, alright, well, yeah, I'll talk to you again next one. All right, see you Trent. Thanks for that later. Thanks. Bye, bye, Jimmy from Jimmy from the book.

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