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22-8 Problematic Favreviewts

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Better late than never?

Headliners: Machine Head, Psycroptic, Norma Jean .

Special Guests: Unprocessed, H.E.A.T, Arch Enemy, Soilwork, Aronius.

Supports: Soulfly, Amon Amarth, The Halo Effect, Becoming the Archetype, Cyborg Octopus, Sigh, Carrion Vael, Spirit Adrift, Dreadnought.

Uncool People: Muse, Five Finger Death Punch, I Prevail.

How's it going? Man, I am flustered. I am spread thin. I have too many things going on and I stupidly scheduled a podcast to talk about all these albums that I forgot to listen to. How are you? Yeah, things have been all right. And then some prick scheduled a podcast and he didn't have time to listen to half the albums. I did get through a fair chunk of it. Yeah, I'm not going to have many in depth thoughts because it's mostly just a listen or two. So it'll be a lot of oh yeah, this is fine. I'm somewhat in the same boat. I have a lot more broader thoughts rather than like in depth stuff. Do you want to go see my level and on Friday, this Friday, this Friday, they are opening or supporting the artist murder, but it is more expensive than I want it to be. Yeah, I would like to go to my levelance headline show given a third down the bill behind. Can't effect that the art only get a half hour set. I'm like, but also, do you like my level once? So I guess we'll see how I'm feeling on Friday after I'm going to the football and Friday last weekend, Meybe and I went to both the Mel one game, whom I support, and the calling that game, who she supports, and we both lost, and so the reward we both got for losing is we both have to play again this week. So we're going again. Oh No, you have to, you have to go to the thing you enjoy, NAMA in January. I have not listened to any of the NAMA singles. I think I listed to half of the first one. It's just like, you know what, I'm gonna run away. I have not listened to any of them either, but I do remember you being amped about her previous record. Did love. It was a top five for that year. So I think that one was like seventy bucks as well. Well, it's not too like it's her actual show. Well, it's only at one seventy Russell. Okay, yeah, weeks. I'll buy tickets. I bought tickets to the good things festival and I bought tickets to I bought tickets to crash diet, which got delayed till January. Right and, as we might discuss later on the PODCAST, I bought tickets to go see heat supported by crazy licks fucking pumps. I've never bought tickets to something so fast, ready to go. So I got there, is and I think there was something else. Yeah, because I went so a kiss and it fucking rule. Yeah, that was a good decision. The pick was hilarious. I loved it. I practiced all week and then got my friend to help me out so it was symmetrical, and it was. I got there and no one else had their face painted. No one. And I was sitting right up the back, like with my back against the wall and labor. I had to walk past every other you know, there were a couple of people. Over the whole night I saw less than twenty people with their face painted and there was one guy in full Paul Stanley like cosplay. He had he had the faith, but then he had like the jacket and some chest hair and some pants with some gold chains on. So he really went in a week, eighties weeks. I was like all right, and there was a group of like fourteen or fifteen year old girls. They were like there are four of them. They were each one member of the band. I was like Nice. Everybody else just had a little start, but I had a great time and now kissing my favorite band. That like they were really good. They're all like seventy or something. Eh, they were so good because I was trying to like I was looking up some some videos of them before going and they were they were a bit rough, but now they were perfect and he was doing there was like some things that came out like has kisses. Paul Stanley been lip sinking, and that came out like the week before, and then all night he was doing like crazy vocal ship to like who wasn't lip sinking? It's like Whoa, no, they sounded great. Like I think being gene Simmons might actually be worth it to be Jean Simmons. It's like it's a hard trade, but like that guy sucks, but it's also the fullest it was. But he's flying around bitting blood everywhere, playing bassing and do something like. Yeah, that guy. So I had a real good time and I've been thinking, because always comes up on the podcast like Oh, you know, these are one of your favorite bands, these are one of my favorite bands. We're going to talk about some favorite bands today. Yeah, well, I was thinking like maybe in November or the simmer when it slows down. We could do with like a favorite bands episode we count off our favorite bands. I'm like, yeah, that'd be cool, and so I've been like thinking about it. I'm like, yeah, death, I love death. I got a perfect discography, like one of the most influential bands that like, I can sick. But they didn't write strata. They didn't write love gun or I was made for loving you baby, like they didn't do that. They don't have an album with black diamond on it, which is therefore like categorically inferior to any album that does have black diamond. So they just they can't be as good as kiss. It's just the mass. It is. Yeah, Kiss. Good. Do we want to talk about fit for an autopsy? What we went and saw together? Extracurricular podcast activity just skipt straight to call people. Time we call people. A lot of people went and saw fit for an autopsy in a very tiny room. Well, what can they say? Melbourne is pretty cool. Yeah, that was so much fun. I had a great time. You know, it's good when your grape is God damn it, they played the eight out of ten song instead of the ten out of ten song. You and your your mates were pumped, so I kept very quiet. I thought they were fine. I thought it was sick. They were too big for that room and with I did not think...

...the sound was coping with it. The sound was left some to be desired. I agree on that front. So I didn't think the band themselves were not good, but they didn't sound great and I was squished and uncomfortable, like I had a lot of fun hanging out with you guys and at the chicken place beforehand, and then I was like, oh now I'm just in this word listen to this, like poorly, poor SAM. But I did see you jumping around and flicking your hair, which I notice is has been. It's got the chop, has got the chop and it's got the Trup and says you decided it's not for you, but it's just time for a change. been two years of that is. It went down to halfway down the back, so it was just making a bit of a mess around the house. I was shedding, hell yeah, panting, and so the decision was made to chop it off go low maintenance for a while. And what did you end up doing with it? He's going to make a wig for kids with cancer ruining make his hopes that it would be a wig or a drag queen. Drag Queens could have cancer. What if you give it to a drag queen with cancer, which to me Sureman ends up with your hair, then I think maybe you would be jumping. Actually, that was a lot of hair. When you like let it down, like he could have got a career as a romance novel like model on the side. It was very, very far B Osque. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I also went to model it and saw carnival. Right. So did that happen? Because I thought that happened on last weekend when I was missing. I was going to be like, Oh hey, how was it? And then I saw a thing that said it had been delayed till September, and then that definitely happened. Maybe some of the interstate ones got delayed, I don't know. So this is carnival and cog and who else? Plenty, and ocean growth, I think, and sleep makes ways, and then those were the only ones that I saw. But yeah, it was really good. Sleep makes ways for sick. Plenty was sick and then I decided to go and have dinner during ocean grow so that I would be fit and firing for COG and carnival, but I drastically underestimated the time to get food, so I missed most of COG, unfortunately. You saw a carnival and there you guys, but I did see kind of all in full and they were awesome and they are one of my favorite bands. So do they play like any new stuff, like they released a new single or something? No News, but they did play the single they released like a few months back and another new song that they don't think they released, but it just sounded just like the one they'd released, to me at least. So that's cool. And so carnival, we're good. I'd ask about cog, that you missed them, because they're like I did see it was coming up and I did think that it had been delayed till September. But other than just other gigs got announced that I would rather spend my money on. The thing that's what I put me off wanting to go was I didn't like that new ocean grow Belle, because I was sort of I would like to see them because I really like the other one that I didn't like that one. So I was like I'm not really as interested. You really like that one, but you you ditched him. No, ocean grow report a lot of energy. That's all I got for you. All right, that was the live review. Why don't we get into this week's or last month's releases, August releases, I mean, while we're on corporal time, why don't we just straight to the dumpster fire? That is me. Okay, look, we're opening with the views up. God, and are you the poison? Are you the I'm not so sure. We still why does this thing exist? You go first. What were your thoughts? Well, let's get some background, because mews undoubtedly the biggest band we are talking about this episode and maybe, with the exception of Kendrick La Batma, I think, the biggest band we have ever talked about on this podcast, and that is fucking insane to me. For, you know, it's two reasons. One, they're not very good too. They're like a crazy, like weird pro opera band, and I don't under stand how they have any mainstream crossover whatsoever, especially compared to like, you know, there are some other bands that don't don't understand. So, before we get into our opinions on the new album which, yes, as you hinted towards, is quite quite a lot to to say, at least. Ever had any interest in Mus at all in high school. I like check them out, I guess, in a bit of detail. The big hits I enjoyed, like, you know, super massive, black hole, etcetera. But the vocalists extensive use of the Brodo just annoys. The ship out so like he's a capable singer, but the way that he chooses to sing annoys me and therefore I cannot connect with any sort of longer form that they release. Like here and there there might be a good song, but on the whole, yes, I think that is a very similar opinion. I have as much as I want to love like a big, massive, stadium pro rock band like that sounds awesome. When it gets hand to it, they sound like a mix of Radio head and queen, which are two bands that I would be quite happy to have a raised from history. Um, you don't like Queen. Queen are a great band and I do like Queen. The problem is I never want to hear queen ever again.

...fucking ever, every single party I went to in high school where you have to stand around and Bang your head and away we're going to do Bohemian rhapsody and I don't care, I don't. I never want to do that song. Hear that song and then it just gets played so much like in public, like when I was doing the post stuff. You know, if I threw the radio on in the Bann or in the car or whatever, there it was just always queen. There was one day where, no ship, I switched between three radio stations. They were all playing different Queen Song. And they're always the same queen songs too. They never give you a deep cut. I mean we did that. I did the joke on the second episode where we were the Princess of the re universe. Right, I got some respect for Queen. I just I think the net loss to net gain of removing queen from history might be. Look, that's not fair, because then you lose both the flash and the highland of soundtracks. So I don't want to go crazy, but yes, well, I mean I just got excited because I was like another person that doesn't like Queen at long last. Now I'm walking it back, like I respect them but I don't enjoy it. That's the other thing. It's become a platitude to say alwaysn't Freddy Mercury the greatest front man of all time? And No, no, he isn't. All like, if he is, tell me why, but you can't. You've just been told that's the thing you meant to think. That's my opinion on people who have opinions about Queen. Yeah, they sound like a mix of Radio head and Queen. They do have like the supermassive black hole riff, fucking slaps, but also twilight's ruined that for us are there are a couple of songs, or less songs, like sort of moments, riffs and bits here and there, like some of their early stuff. I sort of get why people like it. I don't understand why it's popular. But again, but then at some point they fucking lost the plot, which is around the time they put out the song that's just the blondie song that's all about the drones and ship. And then the last album. Did you go in on the last Mus Album? Before we get to this song, have you seen the cover of the last museum? That's this is like stranger things, sentthwave thing. But five s years after the fact Um and you know, a couple of years after weezer really went and looked on this aesthetic as well. So it's like secondhand wackiness. It's not even like Oh, you're just weird, it's like very performative weirdness. That album was universally panned and I think is generally considered like the deer of their career. Right, great word. Yes, UM, so to get into will of the people, the new I will give it this. It's fucking weird, but in a very specific way, like this is not trend hopping weird, because I don't know what trend any of this is following. This is a very like there is a lot of identity to this album. That identity is fucking whack. Do you want to tell us what you think about will of the people? Color? The first thing that stood out to me was the lyrics. I mean, you thought bloody would introduced you to will of the people? Honestly, all I had in my head the whole time I was listening to it was I could just imagine the anti lockdown protesters blasting this every Surday as they protest, while people like enjoy their beers in pubs outside, watching and laughing at them. Look to give will of the people this like Muse lyrics have always has been like that. That is not a new invention. Today. Is like half of the course. So it doesn't mean it's good, but this isn't like this isn't a new loan for them. This is sort of expected news lyrics. I agree with that point and and part of me was just like, Oh, yeah, this music, like they're known for this. But the one line that really stuck out was less, do we forget the great reset? I don't even know if I picked up on that one. So now we're just peddling conspiracy theories in our in our lyrics as well. So, yeah, cringe. As Fun musically, I actually thought parts of it were pretty good. Parts of it are pretty good right. What I what I found is that be an idea and I'm like hey, this is cool, but then they would take that idea in a less cool direction or like in a in a different way to where I wanted it to go. Do you want to give some examples of some of those places that it goes, or shall I so just in case people haven't like listened to this album and don't know what we're talking about, because, like news here, they're the biggest band we've done. That's not kindrick. But they're in uncool people time because, like it was a time when music we're very cool, but that time is not now. I think they're both like uncool as their their two mainstream and also simulation theory. So if you are a cool necro metal head and you haven't checked out the museum, to give you a quick rundown of what this album sounds like, the opening time track will of the people sounds like Marilyn Manson's beautiful people, like vocal melody, drum melody completely lifted. Mixed with this as a sister's right compliance, sounds like a mix between radiohead and Dat Liberation is a straight queen rip off. Won't stand down. Literally starts with the refrain from as us, a take on me that do do, do, do, do, do that like that is that they just put it in there like hate. Check this out and dish it, but then ends in a sick like bring me the horizon style Bouncy metalcore breakdown with like some harsh vocals and stuff and has a killer thrash riff. So it kind of rules. We have ghosts. That is a sad piano breakup song, which is some of the weirdest vocal choices I've ever heard, because you were saying before, like it's not even that he sounds like Freddie Mercury mixed with whatever radiohead guy's name is, Tommy, it is the choices...

...he makes. It's not the quality of his voice, it's what he does with it. That that is bathway. Yeah, we will come back to Halloween that you make me feel like Halloween. No, we won't, because in track six it's a song called you make me feel like it's Halloween, which did you ever see this Saturday night live sketch sketch with Tom Hanks and Stephen Pumpkins? This was Tom Hanks is like a new halloween mascot and it sounds like the stock background. Is that this is what? What is this color? Because someone told me. I listened to a review of this album before it came out and I said, oh, there's like a Halloween song in the middle, and I was thinking the band Halloween, German power metal band Halloween, which is still ridiculous but sort of in line with the will of the people, like operatic grandiosity, and then I listened to the album. They mean like Halloween, Halloween, like how do we describe this other than it's a halloween song, like it sounds like a music like the soundtrack to the nightmare before Christmas or that haunted house level from Bandro becauzoe or something, except Matt Bellamy's over the top of the Oh you make me let Halloween still and like a Michael Jackson sort of thing. I don't know which. But the other thing about this song is color kind of slaps I kind of like you make me feel like it's Halloween. I couldn't know. No, I can't go that. I do think it should not be on the album, but I think this was like a song music id for like an animated like the next Pixar movie is a Halloween movie or something, and they got used to do the song and this in the credit and it was just like a cool novelty song that they like tagged on the end of this as a bonus track. You'd be like this is silly, but it's fun and then it's effective. That's not what they did, though. This is track six in the middle of their ten track long like prog rock conspiracy theory album, and then after that we have killer be killed, which is a straight up new metal song that sounds like skin dred or like prophecy error soul fly, with system of a down style. Death grows also has like a riff at the end that is like a new level Pantera, chromatic style, like Dune, Dune, Dune, done, Dune, Dune, Dune, and he goes. And then they're sweet picking and ship and that's some fucking range. It's like going with me on that one. Yeah, yeah, then we have two sad piano songs that sound like they were like leftovers from the soundtrack to the thirteenth floor, and then a song called we are fucking fucked, which straight up lifts the base break from Queensland Stone Ages. No one knows, like no one's heard that song before. Well, yes, there are conspiracy theory, dog whistles and just the radio head whale. So that is what this sounds like. Pique your interest, listeners. Look, it piqued my interests when they were putting out the singles. So they did put they'd lead with the heavier material on this. They released the two heavier songs and will of the people as well, which everyone said, yes, sounds like Merrin Manson, but sort of metal inspiration, metal learning. Those are the only two and a half heavy songs on here. Otherwise you're looking at sad piano and you make me feel like it's Halloween. I don't hate this. I don't have a bad time when it's on. If I succeed in tuning out the lyrics, then I'm like this is this is all right, we can do this, but as soon that's that's the that's the other thing. The way he sings it's hard to tune out because he's so he enunciates so clearly. Yeah, every time I hear it I'm just like why? So I don't hate this, but I am utterly baffled by it. Yeah, like I feel like there's some value of that, because yes, simulation theory was so hollow and trend jumpy, like I don't know if this is good, but there is nothing else like this. If this is like hey, I like that new moves album. What else should I listen to? I have no fucking idea. Like maybe Queen, I don't know. Yeah, look, knockoff queen is probably the closest description I could I could happen. So that is that is mused. The biggest and most insane album we have yet covered on this podcast. Do we want to just like keep this momentum rolling and do the rest of our cool people? I didn't listen to the color. All Right, I will do my my toype five on five figure death punch, but you need to you need to listen to the cyde prevail album. It sounds like Lincoln Park color. Yeah, the other damage never bad. It's my brain change. But another fast it sounds like bop the park with like big chunky breakdowns. Is something. Yeah, yeah, I was. I was looking forward to hearing what you what you thought about that, but obviously you did not have time. But that is one I would actually recommend. I think you might rather like that. And I was shocked by how much I liked it because I sort of I checked out. I prevailed, because I prevail a fucking huge for some reason. They're not news huge, but they're like a big one band. And like when I went to the download festival like a couple of years ago, before covid or whatever, everyone they had I prevailed ships like we're playing on the day. Sorry, like it wasn't. I didn't even know who they are. Like the new medical band and I've listened to their older stuff and it's awful. It's fucking terrible. The videos are cringes hell. Okay, so they give me...

...cry. It's like they have two singers and there is the angry, yelly, growley singer and then there is the like pop, Punky, melodic, clean singer Guy, and he seems to be the main dude of the band and like he's he's got his big big TIKTOK influencer energy like all. They have a video where it's like this is my life, but I was struggling, but then my friends helped me get back up and it's and the songs awful, right, and he's he sounds bad, but it has a bit of the bloody would affect to it, where the other guy it's real fucking good. He goes hard like he's nothing special, but he just like rock solid, like harsh vocals. But yeah, there's some Shinoda style rapping. Yeah, it's good. But I think as well as just being like maybe this is a sound you will enjoy, I think that that album is a huge step up from their previous material. Five Death Punch Circus, the ship just hang door isn't a huge step up material. You haven't listened to this album, but have you listened to any five finger death punch albums? I listened to all of them up until they maybe like five years got. Your six is the last one that I that makes sense because that album, even why five finger death punch standards, was not good. I listened to the first five death punch album when I came out because I heard that there was this new band that had the guitarist from Wasp. I do love Wasp. That shouldn't come as a shock to anybody, and it's specifically the wasp guitarists who played on one of my favorite wasp albums, a later wasp album, dying for the world. New Band was guitarists called Alison, and I was like this is pretty cool. Kind of sounds like a slip knot with a bit of Groove, like trash to it. But I think that first five thing, that punch album, is pretty good. But it also it does not sound like anything modern five fingersh pump sound like at all. Really Um. And yes, I checked in with the later five finger death punch albums as they were coming out and was just like Oh no, no, thank you not into this at all. I mean I think you throw enough like Chunky groove metal songs with big choruses in them, like, you throw enough of them out, like a few are going to stick. Like I think they maybe have like a couple of songs. The one with Rob Healford's pretty cool. Yeah, I think that there's another one that sounds exactly like that, but you know, it's pretty decent. But this is like they have a hit rate of like one song every three albums, which is not good. Plus everything else about them is just just just repulsive, like their whole image and also the fact that they're sucking huge, that they have megadeath opening for them. It's wild. I don't know if that is a strictly like American phenomenon. I know I have met people here in Australia who are fans of five finger death punch, but I don't know if they could, like they'd be playing at a smaller anue, they wouldn't be paying one of the arenas and stuff, whereas they do like huge shows in America. So it's not even that like I've listened every five finger death punch. I sort of check out the singles and confirmed that, like yes, this band, rust ridiculous, as I think are say, come out. The last album I thought was pretty decent. That was one that I went to do that and I was like this is okay, I'll listen to another song. Okay, listening to another song. It's not good. We're still topping out like a three out of five. But it seemed like a heavier, more metal album that wasn't as embarrassing. I mean, I think there is one someone there that's like I'm having a a bad date song or whatever. I don't know. Is this fate talking? Just just a bit more, bit heavier, a bit more consistent, not as cringe. E. That was the first five finger death punch album like since the debut where I was like, okay, it's listenable. I wasn't offended by it. I could sort of put it on. I think. I think this new one and one is like much the same. Yeah, after life, like you were saying, with news, like if you pay any attention to the lyrics, there's this whole like welcome to the circus thing, but this is sort of like unoffensive, largely serviceable groove metal that I don't want to listen to. It but if it's on, I'm not aching to turn off. The new thing with this album seems to be they have a couple of like softer songs that have more of a country vibe to them, and I think that kind of works. So I mean, this band is still fucking suck and like all their politics and their lyrics and things like. Like all of that, it's serviceable. I think, is the best I'm going to say. But for five finger death punch, I think that's pretty decent and given that this has been two albums in a row, it seems like there is some kind of, if not upswing, sort of consolidation of okay, we found out our patterner just like sitting to it, where some of the ship from their past albums is wild, not amuseway. You know, why did you put this out on the album kind of way, let's say, it seems to have work to them. But all of that is to say it's fine, but I think for five finger death punch, that's that's quite the achievement Byan is as good as it gets. Yeah, but I was a little bit shocked by how much I did not hate the five finger death punch. All right, that is that's uncool. People. Do we want to start the show now? Hi, this is this is a momento bullshit. Welcome to problematic favor review tists. That's how you're pronouncing that. I was going with problematic favorite views. Yeah, that's a lot nicer, I think. Yes, because for...

...our headliners this month we have some problematic favorites to review in the form of our new albums from machine had, a psycroptic and Norma gine, who maybe shouldn't be there, but for the sake of thematic grouping, let's go with it, Um, and then some equally sizeable special guests from the likes of unprocessed heat, arch, enemy soil work of Ronius. Have I spelled it right there? This is the band that I spell every different every time I go to do it. So we're going with a Ronius there Um. And then some still sizable supports from soul fly, a modern Maath of the halo effect, becoming the archetype Cyborg Octopus, Si Carrie and Vale. Maybe I'll mention the new spirited drift album and and dreadnought. Maybe I'll give them a mention at the end. Who knows? Yes, but as as we've already said, the name of this episode is problematic favorite views, or however, the how Carlo pronounced it, and this is because we are dealing with some some albums, or one in particular that we weren't really sure whether we wanted to cover or not. Of course, this being the machine had album of kingdom and crown. That's that's not bad. Where that's not let people, if you're not aware of why that might be concerning, this is because they now officially have decapitated lead guitarist and accused gang rapist folk on lead guitar. It's quite a lot there, which in even and knowing I was listening to the regular heavy blog podcast, the heavy pot is heavy cast today, because they also addressed this on on the most recent episode of that. They had a bit more of a in that depth political discussion about it there, where they were just talking about, yeah, what do you do when like one of your one of your favorite bands, like suddenly has this mark against them? And in most cases I would say, you know, don't talk about them, like we didn't talk about the last decapitator, and I really liked the previous decapitator. I was a pretty big fan of the band but did not want to give them the exposure and all that. Also, I listened to the albument and it was fine. There's your review. It was also called cancer culture, which sort of goes into some of the residual problems with the band. Of like there is some, I guess, Gray area to this in that I don't know what happened on that bus right Um something. I know something happened by that bus, but there are people who want to say, you know, innocent, wil proven guilty and all of that, and that has been the line the the band have been running with. Or they've even overstepped that and said we were acquitted when they weren't. The lawsuit was dropped, but is still open to be pushed against them at any time. And I mean they're literally stated said in statements we were acquitted. So the fact that that is the line they've been pushing and then they come back with an album called cancer culture shows that even if you want to go all in and go well, I think they're innocent, they're not really like taking the a nuanced response to to any of this. Yes, they don't seem to be that self reflective. So yes, I think usually the response would be, let's not talk about the new machine had album fun machine. There's a there's some weird wiggle room with that and that he doesn't actually seem to be part of the band very much at all. He's like a touring member, but he also hasn't been touring with them because they've been touring with the different lineup. He hasn't played, as far as I know, on like, I think, any of the singles they're released in between this and the last album. He only has two writing credits on this new album, which, so I think he played solos on like two of the songs. How much he's involved in this album is kind of unknown and also seems like miniskill. Again. You might say, well, two Solos on an album from an accused game rapist is too too many, but it is. It is a less clear cut situation than most. And also that the big elephant in the room is machine had, of my favorite band, and I fully like I am jumping through these hoops to to say this is why I want to I want to talk about machine head, and that is not to say that I want to talk about machine head. There's no problems with him they're great. The other thing is, when my favorite band is in a position where this kind of thing is happening, I would rather address it and and talk about the album and what it might mean than pretended to doesn't exist and let the only press it gets just be the road reviews about it that have been published everywhere. Exactly. Yes. So, Carlo, how are you? How are you feeling about this whole situation? I really like machine had as well. I really like Rob Flynn and I was shocked when joined the band, given rob's history. And Yeah, it makes me really uncomfortable that he's in the band. So like, since that announcement I don't listen to them really. Yeah, the Rob Flynn thing is another thing that you know, has been cited and need an annoying talked about this as well, that he has generally been seen as someone who has been somewhat of a bastion for the kind of morals and politics that I guess, we align ourselves with. That seems like a trustworthy figure. I mean that they go into it and it's possible he knows something we don't. It's possible that he, like he's talked to bog and maybe he believes he's innocent. Right. My major issue, where I still go all that. That doesn't matter, is he hasn't said that. Right, if there was an announcement when he joined the band and said Hey, vog's in the band and I know there's these things about it. I've spoken to the do I believe he's innocent and if I didn't,...

I wouldn't let him join machine head. So this is my call and I'm making it. But there was no aunt, there was no discussion, it was just a video that got put up said welcome the new machine a guitarist, which you know. It's not like he didn't know right. This wasn't a small story. So the part where it's not being addressed makes me hesitant to extend any sort of benefit of the doubt to it. Like you're you're not even making that statement and forcing me to decide, like if I agree with you, you're just ignoring the issue altogether us. So I feel very uncomfortable about all of that. And I have kept up with the machine head stuff that was putting out. I mean I put a review in the thrash column, into the pit column on heavy blog last year when they did put out the EP with a few of the few of the songs that are on this album, addressing this basically because no one else was talking about it. Like just everyone else I saw her talking about it was just saying I wasn't a great machine header back and they're putting out these good songs and I wanted to be like, okay, well, if we're all just going to talk about this, like I want to say something about it. was also a get out of jail free cards somewhat, in that I really didn't care for that AP and I thought it was absolute trash. So I didn't have to, you know, try and square the circle. I just got to say this sucks and maybe they suck now and what they're doing is sucky. There I didn't really have to grapple with anything, which is another reason why we've decided to talk about it here, because I did not like the songs of that AP, I did not like any of the singles they were putting out prior to this album's release, and I was kind of expecting to come in here and just trash this album and have that conversation move on. I don't know if that's where I'm at. We'll get to that, Carlo, you were saying you haven't you you didn't listen to machine head after fog joined. So have you listened to this album? What's your take on actors like you? I really wanted to not like this album. I was like, out of curiosity, I will give it one listen and it's really good. Okay, so when I said I'm not there in that I do want to trash this album, I in the lead up I thought I was going to come on in here and say this is the worst machine head album and if you think it's worse than Catharsis, you're insane, because I really liked catharsis. I had it in my top ten that year. I think it's a really great album and I think there's a lot of interesting things about it. But I could go into it, but I think everyone just reacting to I would had a new metal song on it like triple being. Didn't absolutely slap is is insane and just they were doing more interesting things again. Right. It seemed like they'd run the blackening template into the ground and it seemed like they were doing something more interesting. So I found Catharsis really refreshing and invigorating. So I was fully prepared to come into this and say it's it's no good. I don't think this is their worst album. I don't think it's anywhere near their best album. I've sort of avoided some of the critical feedback for this because I didn't really want it to to taint this discussion and also I don't really want to confront it. But I just did a quick scan on wikipedia. Like all the reviews listed, there are like nines and ten out of tends. The murmurings I've heard is that like, oh, this is isn't this? This is the best machine head album since the blackening and all this stuff, some or even arguing it will be seen as the equal of the blackening and like well, they're certainly trying, because this album sounds a lot like the blackening. That that the first song. What's it called? Slaughter of the matter, the best death core band of slaughter. The Marter comes in and the intra sounds like clenching the first the scent and the riff kicks in and it's the clenching the fists of the descent riff. Wait a little bit slot with chunkier drums, which look that that sounds great and it kind of is slaughter of the mater like that riff kicks in and I'm off, like it feels so good to hear like the machine had in my favorite favorite band. I love how machine had sound. The machine head sound is going to do things to me. So I enjoy that. But the observational part of me feels that but then goes this is just clenching the fist of the descent, and I could just be listening to clenching the fist of descend version of clenching and and that kind of feeling never goes away throughout, throughout this alb I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm being very synical about it because I want a reason to not like this and I'll come back to this in a couple of years ago. Yeah, but it sounds just like clenching the fists of descent, though. I'm all over the place with this one because I don't know how to deal with it. But you said you're a bit higher on this than me, it seems like so, if you're still saying it's an inferior version of the blackening, but to put it still good because the blackening is good. Is that? Is that where you're coming at it from. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That checks out again, like any of it, one listen. But from that listen the riffs were mean as well. As per usual, there was great drive and energy and the one thing that probably stood out for me more than than the rest or that perhaps said it apart from the previous records, the interplay between rob and jared's singing, I think, was better than we've heard before and I thought there was some really nice harmonizing and the sort of setup they had with the backup vocals worked a lot more for me here than it has for a long time. Right, because I was going to say for even all they're just inherent machine headiness about the song that I like. Jared can't sing for ship, but that's fine, like is it? Rob's voice is blown and the backup singer just flat out can't singing. That's fine, like he's not an amazing vocalist, but he's singing the parts alive. So I appreciate that they're recording it as they're going to play it. They're not just getting robbed to sing all the parts, and so the point of difference or like just hearing the different voice for me is an improvement. I'm not going to go with you on that one. I would prefer they it's someone who could sing, to do...

...the singing parts. That's a matter of taste. The other sort of problem I have with this song is with with this album, is there are like so many great moments and riffs, like every single song has a has a riff in a moment where I just go yes, that's the stuff. I don't think any of these songs like are good in and of themselves. That it's yes, it's moments that stand out, with a lot of meandering in between and stuff that to me sounds like a shell of former glories, particularly blackening glories. I'm someone who doesn't even like the blackening as much as most people. Don't get me wrong, I love the blackening. Think it's great, but it is my fourth or fifth favorite machine. Hannut, I think I'm right behind it is Catharsis, but you were saying you think this is a huge step up from there, from their last couple of albums. Now I've said I really liked Catharsis. I'm sure you did not. Alright, for me, killers and kings was the album that sort of did me in with. That's the one, bloodstone dance. I really like that one, but I remember you being out on it. It's like it's got some really cool moments on it, but it's like twice as long as it needs to be and it did just seem like rehashing and I think this album is maybe like, if I'm ranking it in there, described for a little bit on par with that. Like I don't think this is the worst machine head album, but it might be my second least favorite, only because supercharger exists. But I put this sort of about on Paras Bloodston and dons, which a lot of people will hear that. It sounds great, but are you, how far are you going back? Like, do you think this is the best album since the blackening? Where are you on locust? That's what that's what I wanted. Let me bring up there wrong answer. It's worse than locus, because locus might be the best machine head absolutely worse than locus. Okayacus is sick. That's the second best one after the blackening. All right, so I'm going blackening, then locust, then probably Ben my eyes through the ashes of empire, and then I'm probably similar with you. This is up with bloodstone for the next spot. So I have a different order to you, but it's buying for position with the same album. I'm starting to think locus might be my machine head album and burn my eyes is one of my like top one favorite albums of all time. So I'm like, Oh, maybe it's locus, it's it's there is like there are five albums and I'm like this could be my number one on any given day and burn my eyes is one of them. And now I think locus might be better. So we've gone way off track. But this albums like I can't want to say it's fine and it's not fine because Vos on guitar. I don't know. But just the the rapid reception to it, I think, is very it's it's sort of predictable, like I knew. I knew going into this album, after the reception of the EP, that people are going to say it's a return to form and it's the best thing since the blackening. But I think just to listen to this and think it is more interesting than Catharsis is really like demand more of your bands right. Well, demand more from Catharsis, I think, is the do you want kind of lyric about getting hit near the Fresno sign. What bore do you want, Carlo? I really like if you think there is anything on this album as good as, like the title track to Cathasus. Your mental are you in playing I can remember how bad catharsis was, because I can't. I think you should revisit Catharsis. I think it's very good and at least wasn't trying to be an invitation of the blackening. But I got really excited when Capasus came back because I thought, oh, they're they're trying things again and they sound reinvigorated. They sound like they're having fun, because I thought with bloods and diamonds they were a little bit going through the motions and just throwing riffs together. I mean like this is what we meant to do right, right, eight minute long songs with lots of riffs, and so I was like, yeah, they're back and they're back into it and you can tell how much they're feeling and then the whole band quit it because they hated him. So it might just be me, but I spanned by it. Catharsis rules and maybe machine head would have been better off if their career had ended with it. Well, you know, then we wouldn't have to deal with this. I mean clearly not. This album is getting great reviews. I don't know how to wrap this up. We wrap it up by saying the album is pretty good actually, and the sooner vogue is out of the band the better. That is true. Like rock point, like he has to know. It's not like he no one's told him and they were like Oh, by the way, and he's like Oh, ship, I better get that guy out of my and like he knows. So there has to be something there where it is worth more to have him in the band than not have him in the band. And I can't see that, because you put this album out that he didn't really play on with another guitarist, you get all the accolades that are being pro plus you don't have people like ask going yeah, yeah, but like, I don't know what it's worth for him to have vo in the band. And it's not like like Vog's in another big band. It's not like yeah, I don't I don't understand. It's a really it's a really strange situation. Yeah, so I feel I feel weird about this album and I don't hate it, but I don't love it and I don't really want to go back to it, and I will in a few years and be like, oh, but it sounds like the blackening. It's also a concept album. It's an anime inspired concept album about serial killers who find God. Are you aware of this? That was not until yesterday I was aware. Right, this is the yes, the attack on Titan inspired its sequel to the blackening. That no one asked for, but everyone seems to be lapping up. All right, let's move on to Sycroptic, another one of our problematic favor views. All right, now, I might be saying,...

...who wants the problem psycroptic? Nothing. Something's coming out about them. There's been no accusations, and you're right, they haven't. As far as we know, there is nothing dodgy about psycroptic. This might be my take on it, more than a words for thing color. Do you have any doubts over psycroptic? Only what I've heard from you. Right, it is just me. Okay, so to too later. The drummer for psycroptic, Dave Haley, also runs a touring company in Australia. or The directoring do we decide? That's the one directoring and he books a lot of big metal shares that come through Australia and he has a habit of booking bands that a lot of other people might not book. The first one that came to mind was he booked their fill in somewhere to our like, fairly really after the ship with him and he booked he did do a show with McGuire and MARDOC which I went to. Also had an ulter rate and gorguts were playing, and this was, I think, before anything came out, or at least before I was aware of McGuire, and before Mardok sort of got an air blasted. But again, you know has has a history of of doing that. And while we're where we're our Marduk and all the recent Um psychoptic photo shoots members, different members of the band, not just Steve Haley, are often wearing mardok shirts which, okay, maybe they're like Marduk and they you know, it's one photo shop whe they're wearing a shirt that day. It's not. There are different photo shoots with different shirts and different people. So it's sort of like a conscious decision to be like, Oh, look like it's sort of in there a lot of their photoshopts. They're wearing like mayhem shirts, Marduk shirts, like sort of these edgy second wave black metal bands, EG. Using that term very, very loosely there. But yeah, I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, but there have been a series of sort of bookings of people where you're like, oh, I don't know about that one. I mean most recently, on the day I was explaining all this to you, I got an email, like just after we had that conversation, that that he books ailstorm. Right, there's an ailstorm tourist and he's not the only one. I've got other promo emails and things about the storm tour. So all of this is very inferred, like association, circumstantial, circumstantial, but there's like a lot of it and it seems as with the Marduk and Mayhan t shirts, it seems like very pointed, very deliberate, very provocative. It's not just that Oh, I'm a political or I don't care about this and I just like Marduk and I'm wearing a mark tissue. You are wearing a Marduk t shirt because you know what that signals and you're trying to get a rise out of people. Maybe I'm being unfair, but there seems like there is a definite trend of this, because stuff like I've been getting emails about like the director and also has a merch site and they always send out emails about free shipping and things, and I was like, Oh, I need some new shirts and I went looked on the page and like, they have a lot of bands, like not not all the bands they have are like dodgy bands, but they do have all the dodgy bands like any you would think of it. They have a shirt of theirs on the website, whereas some other people might choose not to stop that. I feel like he's making a point of stocking them and at some point, if you're just saying things to be edgy, it's like, okay, maybe you don't believe this stuff, but you may as well. Again, all of this is speculative, circumstantial, but there is there is a vibe around psycroptic that I'm not too sure about. Now, none of them have been actually accused of anything and none of this really comes through in their music. I don't think so. All of this is ancillary, circumstantial but I just want to throw it out there going into this new album, which is called Divine Council, Iron Council. Now that we've got all that out of the way. So you like psychcroptic? Rosycroptic is sick. They go fucking hard, this is true, and they've got one of the best guitarists going around. Sure Do, and you've been any fairly long time. SOACROPTIC fans, I got into them with their self titled Actually, so I was a little late to the party, but then subsequently went back and I enjoy all of their records, although their second wave sound is more to my tastes than the early the first couple of records. I think we're we're sort of UNCOOL, if you want to make this preliminary uncol people at sexual time is that you and I both preferred newer socroptic as too, older socroptic, which are the cool kids are into. Back when they were like weird, a brutal. Now they just played frash metal, and I am fucking here for it. Yes, I I was a late adopter to socroptic as well. The self titled Album was the one that converted me. As well say fucking catchy. It is cool and I like I'm being somewhat I'm being provocative myself and saying they played thrash metal, but also they just played thrash met all these days. Like that album sounds like the haunted on speed. It rules. It's just thrash but fast and with a love of licks. So yes, I really enjoyed sort of the last three socroptic album inherentive repression, which I didn't get at the time. But then going back to what I think, that's now my listening go why didn't I just love this immediately? That and the self titled I think. Yeah, just amazing albums. And then the most recent one is the kingdom drowns from I think is like just like a notch below though, is but still like pretty on par, very thrashy, cool, just just riffs for days. So begin to sorry...

Kroptic, but this is an example. If you know how I tell you that Noy and I like the same things, but we like them in very different ways. Because on the on the not the last episode, the one before of the heavy pot is heavy cast, they were talking about the new scroptic album and Nolan said he thinks this is the best album they've done with the new singer and that it is a throwback to their earlier sound and is one of the more interesting and and diverse albums that they've put out. And I think this is kind of them falling into a Rut and repeating a lot of the things that I've heard over the last filbums to a lesser degree. So, exactly, I ask you to split the difference. Okay, you're on my side. I'm definitely on your side. Like, don't get me wrong, it is good. I really enjoy it, but if you've heard the last three or four albums, you've heard this one as well, and I'm at the stage now where I am ready for them to move on to a third iteration of their sound and bring me something different. Yeah, I mean the last album there as the kingdom, as the Kingdom and drowns as the kingdom drowns. You and I were there on the released Party Day. Was a great gig. We showed up, we rocked out, they did the release thing for this and I didn't bother you and you didn't go, which also might have been just, like, you know, circumstantial or whatever. We're coming out of the pandemic. But I wasn't compelled to go see this because this album is not breaking through my fine barrier. Is Like perforating it. Occasionally, like poking through, there will be a riff that goes but for the most part, like none of this sticks with me and none of it chumps out. It is kind of a wall of soycroptic sound, and the moments that do jump out jump out because I'm like that sounds exactly like the last album, but not quite as good, like I think. Particularly one of the moments that jumps out of me and sticks, it gets through the fine barrier is the song ashes about empire, which has like just this sick thrash roof at the start, but then it goes into the operatic female vocals that they did on the last album, which like kind of cheapens. That album has been the album that sounds like that, and then it's not really just part of their sound now, but it shows up on this song and it seems really out of place, like it seems like something that was left over rather than something that's been constructed to create the particular sound of this album. And I got the same the other moment that jumps out to me as a fragile existence because I haven't I heard this before, and yess I have, because that was the song that was released as the B side to the watcher of all singles that they put out, in which I think I've read up for the Inter the pit column as well. said, hey, this was singles called the watcher of all, but a fragile existence is way better. That song rules. I hope they do more stuff like this, but I don't want them to just take that track and put it on an album. Like when I say this sounds like leftover stuff from the last album, it's because it has a song that was released as a single. That seemed like there was an off cup from the last album. So, yeah, I agree with you. I don't think this is bad, but it just sounds like they may be out of ideas. Yeah, like, I'm not as down in it as you are. It's more than fine for me. I do enjoy it and I don't think it's necessarily a massive sort of dip in quality, but it's more just, yeah, it's things we've heard before and it's not it's not as if this is the second album of that sound like this has been four plus albums of this sound. If we want this sound, we already have a lot to choose from. So it's if you're going to stay in the groove, it's got to be sucking a tier ship, because otherwise it's not going to compete with what we already know and love. The other thing about the sound is like the big thing leading up to is they got the guy from origin. He's like your new favorite band origin. He's playing bass and he's doing he's gonna be splitting vocal duties. They're going to have the origin guy doing vocals. Can you tell where he is on this album? He's on this album. Yep, as you are pointing out, he may as well not. I think like there are a couple of moments where it sounds like they're there's a vocal and there is like the hard vocal and then there's like a slightly deepart vocal under that. But it's not like he's trading off and bringing different dynamics. It just seems like he's grunting along with what they did. There was one song, maybe it's enslavement, which I think they did a video for and was one of the singles. The vocals they're sounded like straight up easn to me and I was like, where has this come from? You've never sounded like that before, but I just cannot get it out of my head on that track. Okay, maybe I mean nothing really jumped out at about this album and then certainly not a part that sounded like his arm. But if it's there, you know maybe. I mean I'm not feeling this. I'm not feeling the machine album and my complaint is that they sound too much like the machine head and so croptic albums I love. So maybe I'm just full of ship and I'm just not in the mood right now because, like, if we went and saw them and they played any of these songs like they'd be sick. Great, but also I didn't go and see them wife. So I don't know, I'm not feeling this one. I don't think it's bad, but like, yeah, for me it is. It is behind the fine barrier. Fair enough. Let's move on, alright. Our final problematic favorite viewed for this week is normal gine with their album. Their threatle thing for me anders last, and you can see that it needs a comment. Like the fit for an autopsy album needs to be death rattle sing for me, but it's not. It's death rattles. Thing is they're meant to be a play on simple. I don't think so. Maybe all right. Why are they...

...here in the problematic section rather than the other special guest section, without Jamie and so work and all the other cool bands that I like just as much as as normal gene? I don't know really. I think some people on the blog have a problem with normal gene and mentioned that they had some maybe right leaning associations and things. Having looked into it, it seems like they're leading. I said some dumb shit about the black lives matter movement. Um. He posted like a meme or something on the day where they had like the social media blackout or something, and apparently that was connected to Um like some you know, anti black lives matter stuff. He since released a like pretty immediately, released a fairling massive and, I thought, quite considered Um and sincere our statement. It wasn't just like I've done bad. I think he was like no, I get it, this is what I did. I didn't realize or if I did, I was being flippant and like that's not what I represent. I mean the statements out there for some people that might not mean anything. I read it and went yea, and it did seem like he was like yes, I was making fun of like twitter activism rather than the movement itself, which I mean he has said things in the past where I think there was there was another story about like he had a spat with the dude from every time I die, where every time I got Keith Buckley, he said, you know, no one in a Maga hat is allowed at our shows, and then he responded and said you're welcome at our shows, whoever you are, which again I kind of take as that is more about being welcoming than like specifically come to our shows. You know that. I can understand why people want I feel comfortable with him. For me, at worst he said some dumb ship that he didn't really think about. That's kind of where I fall down on it. But again, maybe I'm making excuses and jumping through roots, because I really bloody like normal gine, especially really like more recent normal gine. I mean a lot of people have reverence for their earlier period with their yes, their first album under the name Norma Gine. I think that's the earlier one with the chariot singer, but the what's it? Bless the Marter, kiss the Child? That's the member and talks about which is the math core classic. was never really that into that album. Doesn't really do a whole lot to me. I really got on board with their mid period stuff when they went much more prony and post rock influenced, particularly the yeah ten album meridional. Meridional, I'm not sure how to say that. That was one of my favorite albums of that year. I don't think people really talk about that one, but it was sort of a pivotal album for me. That was a lot more, a lot more. Probably didn't love wrong doers, the follow up to that, but the album polar symr was, yeah, probably my album of the year for that year. I think I had as second behind the re release of convergence. I failed, you found me, which doesn't count because it's not a new album. So if we're talking newly released albums, Polis and, which is an album I've just gone back to and back to, and like, if we're doing best albums in the last decade, like that's definitely in the top ten for me, maybe even the top five. Like it's an absolute personal classic. I really love their last albums, all hail, as well. I think when we were doing our end of the year list that was the one that was number eleven. I had to cut it because we're only publishing the top ten, and then I made up some kind of post as an excuse to be like, what was the album you left off your top ten list so I could write about how much I love that album. So yes, quite a big fan of normal gene and their last two albums are was looking forward to this one color. You don't struck me as someone who would be much of a normal gene fan. Not really listen to them and the heap. I think I DID LISTEN TO ALL HAL and I thought it was pretty good but, like, I can't remember much about it. So well, before we get into talking about what death rattle thing for me sounds like, I want to read you a passage from my all hail review that I wrote for that when it came out, because sometimes I like to get on my bullshit and do too much alliteration. I've just published a new a new review of the new parkway drive album today, where I got one sentence that had three different alliteration phrases in a row. Oh No, it's there and I left it. Okay, I was having fun. It was tenthly night. I've been writing for two and a half hours. I wanted to get to bed, but sometimes I get on my bullshit and I thought I was particularly on my bullshit when I wrote the following sentence. All hail is centered around the band's definitive, pushing poll aesthetic. The majority of the record feels like being caught in a Black Sea, being continually drawn in by a persistent, forceful undertow, only to be dumped on by the most colossal of waves as the tension repetitively reaches breaking point. So some myd Miron asking major there. I don't think the section went on for a lot longer than that in my memory, but when I went back because it was a bit more concise than I thought us. But that's the kind of like, you know, metaphorical crap music people right. So that's that has been in the back of my head. Is like maybe where I went a little bit overboard when reviewing it. With that in one I would look like you do. Now take a look at the cover of death rattles. I know this is going was like sucking on the money or what. I nailed this suck up. Yes, so, if you don't know what the cover of this album is, it's a dude getting dumped by a black wave. I love it. Looks like we have a new blog of prophet man. Let's go over you then. What do you think of what do you think of the new normal genail? I've only listened to it once or twice, but I quite liked it. It was slower than I remember them being and it was less abrasive than I remember them being. For some reason I thought they were abrasive. I don't know if they are extremely abrasive, but yeah, this was a lot more my speed, a lot more memorable for me. It sounded a lot like architects at times. Definitely. I like archite X. I'm...

...here for this. There is definitely an influence from normal gene on on architects, for their heavier side, for sure, and like in the earlier mathre core stuff, you know, normal gene are like bless the manner kissed the child. It's heavy, it's heaviest balls. It's like just that big, like Chunky math core riffing that that's set out like if you think about like dillinger's, sort of the techy jazzy one, and you know, converge off dealing whatever converge to, but a lot more grindy, a lot more like fast. And then every time I die I got that like southern rock kind of swagger to them, like normal gene in their early days were just like sort of just big crunch and then as they went on going old rock and post vibes to them, which sort of plays into that like big, like there's a weight to normal gene that there maybe isn't with a lot of their contemporaries that are a lot more wiry. But when you say this album is an abrasive like the opening one, two through four tracks like is Abrasive as hell. It's just like distorted screaming and ranting for like three and a half minutes. My note for that is this is three minutes of dissident aggression. Dissident aggression. Sorry. So I would describe that is abrasive. Maybe my threshold for Abration is just getting higher with times. I mean this isn't as like full out as they're they're earlier math core stuff, but there's definitely like heaviness to this Um, that's for sure. Yeah, what there is here is also a lot more of that that progressive side to them, like the call for blood, which I think is trucked two. That's the one with the ones and Zeros thing at the start, which is fucking cool and reminds me of the numbers station track on polar similar and the riffin kind of reminds me of meridional from Meridional. I've never said that word out loud. So that's really keen into the side of normal gene that I like. I really like the opening of this album and then it kind of loses me a bit, not because it becomes softer and progger as it goes on, which it predominantly does for the for the Middle Section, but I don't feel like the midst the ideas in the mid section are really developed. They sort of just show up and disappear. I don't I don't know. You were saying it was really memorable to you. Well, it's more memorable to me than anything they've done before. We're on the five finger death punch scale. The other thing that's stops this from being like really really sticking with me is I find there is a pattern with a lot of the songs where they sort of dissipate at the end. They'll be like they really get going and then they'll be like, you know, a minute or so of let down at the end where they just sort of like fade out into like static or whatever, which is cool, but it's like it happens at the first track and it just sort of stops the tracks from really rolling into each other. They are sort of like here's an idea, all right, and then here's another idea. Okay, bring it down, all right, here's another idea. So it never quite flows for me and I don't know if the ideas are fully developed. Like I definitely I enjoyed this album, but I think it's it's a fairly mid tier normal gene now, though, for me, much like machine head with the blackening and Catharsis, I would put bless them, I don't kiss the child, like fairly low down the normal gene steakes, so to say that this is probably like one notch behind. That might mean a lot more to other people, but yeah, I don't know. This is this is a middling normal gene record. That feels like a pretty significant step down from their last too, at least for me, but it's still like I like the sound of normal gene. So I enjoyed this when it's on. I've just sort of wanted it to do a bit more and I find that, like for all, it's progressive like elements that are the sort of thing that jump out and go hey, this is what makes this album stand apart. I just really like it when they when they're just being gnarly, like I think that's when they're at their best because I think they go into some of the probably stuff. And then there's a song right there and sleep explosion, which maybe that's what's going on the cover, but like that is just this big, like stoppy, hardcore song right at the end and when it hits there I'm like, Oh, you could have been doing this for the last six songs as well. I don't know, maybe maybe that's just me, but I think, yeah, the highs on this album when they're being heavier, for me, that sleep explosion and called for blood and Spearman revolved those songs there. If you were digging the VIBE, there I pull some off. That is, as I said, an all time classic and I think it picks up a lot on a lot of those probably sort of Post de textures that maybe might be tickling your fancy with this one. Sounds special. Time. Let's get into our special guests, which, like yes, if we weren't doing this weird categorization, like all of these, all of these albums, could have been headliners again, like there are some huge acts and some very anticipated albums amongst this list, beginning with a band we've already talked about on the podcast, because they did that. Bands have been dealing with their release at EP, just EP. It's definitely not. It was a for a new album, and then we talked about like sucked in all these songs are on the new am. So we've kind of talked about a lot of unprocessed for already. But if you missed that, this is the follow up to one of your albums of the year, color. That's right. So we've got gold, yes, following up other visual boys from which I really like. Those in my top ten somewhere. which was your number one? Right? No, not, definitely not number one. We've had...

...this discussion before. No Way, zero chance. What what year was? Nineteen? It does fit for an autopsy in North Lane. I couldn't pick up that same year. It wasn't the year before. Was that? Yeah, alright, maybe Evan Carson war forward was five. There it is a number seven, oppress eight. I think I'm looking at it above white ward ever gray flesh got a pocalypse. Okay, well, I don't know, ship this was a highly well, this album is not that big a deal and we can we can talk about it after the new heater, because I put it up here to make you happy and now I feel bad. Well, we might as well finish it, okay. So we talked about whatever that EP was called that had some of the songs on the album, and we were saying it seems like I'm processed of going in a less techy year, less metal sound. It seems like they were going softer, popular, more melodic, and I think that that's fairly true of this album as well. Yeah, this is a very different sounding album to whatever the last one was. That's right. Like there are a few strong tracks that I think, you know, up there with what they had an artificial void, but for the most part I'd say it's a solid record rather than a strong one. And Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't get through the fine barrier for many, but it's getting through your Phine. There it's sitting on the fine barrier. Yeah, it's the title of your sex tape. Great segue on one lyric that stood out for me. You're so pretty when you're drunk. Why is that the main refrain of the song? Why? Okay, I didn't notice that refrain, or if I did, it didn't stick with me. But that is because I find a lot of this unprocessed album is doesn't stick with me. Like these aren't songs, these are sketches. They're like riffs and a refrain and then they just like all the songs. How many songs are there on the album? It's like twenty or something, a right too many. There are six sons. Yeah, I'm looking at him and I was going to say they're all about two or three minutes long, but there are some like four. There's a even a five in there. Now there's they're topping out at four forty, but they're all around the three minute mark. I thought they would have been closer to the two. It feels like they're closer to the two because, despite their being like a lot going on instrumentally in these songs. There's not a lot compositionally, like it's sort of like noodling mumbly, like I was going to do this thing where let's let's do it. Ask Me what I think about the Numan process. What do you think of the NUAN process of them? Josh, yeah, you like mumbles and you go Whoa, and then they are balm and that's sort of repeat. And I was not filling this out at all when I first heard it. Their Promo copy about them being alchemist horrendous, but don't know who we should put them in. The problem about a headline is just because of their their fucking Promo job. If you thought my normal gene analogy was bad, this this girl thing. You don't have facebook, do you know? Really, that's a short conversation like that. You know, I think I just bitched about it. I mean it's not even they're a worse proo things. It was just like so obvious, like it was just like this album is called gold the alchemists. So yeah, I was not feeling this, but I have to say this album is pretty good. Things might be all right. This might be a scroptic situation. I think this is just on the like past the fine barrier for me. It's teated, it's toppled and it's like splattered on the ground just right in front of my fine barrier, right right, I think once you were just to like what it is, it's like it sounds good. His voice sounds good, the guitar of sound. You just can't tell them apart. They only do one thing, but they're pretty good at it. Yeah, like I like listening to this more than plenty and maybe I just suck, maybe I need a guy doing there. But the top of it, I talked about how all these technic albums don't need vocals on them or whatever, but something about this is more engaging to me than the plane stuff, which might be less the actual like vocals, and that, as much as I complained that it's formula and repetitive and undeveloped, like there is like there's a verse riff and there goes into the chorus and I can sort of get into a group with these songs where I kind of get hit by some of the new problem with the stuff and I'm like, which is whittle that, you know, this package that I just I don't think it is a yeah, forget. Yeah, I don't know, but I think this could be really good if you just like finished writing these songs and cut out about half of them. I don't know there's even room to like if there's what? There's sixteen tracks, if you've got every pair of tracks and pushed them together and went put these ideas together and make one big long song and had an album of eight more developed songs, like I would think. I mean, maybe that would suck and I'd be saying all these songs are too long. But like I sort of once I settled into it, I like the idea of this album. It just seems like, yeah, that the songs end before they get going, despite having gone lots of places, I don't know, all lots of stuff that's going on with you get the point. Get the point, title of this podcast, not title of your text tape. You get it all right.

The album that should have been the headliner of this week, the album that I am just dying to talk to, talk about, specifically talk about with you, Carlo. This is the band heat, or I was gonna say dot a, dot t yeah, without a dot after the team, even though I've written one in the lineup they specifically do not have a dot after the team. So that is my bad. It's not an acronym, it's just got dots in there. For some reason they're just called heat. This is the old for the draw back. This is a long last return of the hair metal revival, revival to the heavy blog review pod, after we had a couple of months there where it was slim pickings. But we have another huge hair metal release out of Sweden, another return, yes, but with heat and their enforcement. Joe. Now, I managed to weeze on my way in and write this album up for it to just picks. Well, I mean I stuck him by eating was like to anyone where I write up an album for those things. I was like, Oh, me, me, me, me. But that is to say, I have laid out the history of this album in there. Kylie, did you read that history? Where am I going to explain it to you in real time right now? No, I did not read that history. All right, let's see if I can, if I can do this in less time than we did crash. Okay, he our hair metal band from Sweden, but they're a bit more they're a bit more like like crushed out with like punky and and more metal. They were like very they've got keyboards and they're a bit more Bluesy, bit more classic rock. They put our first album, it's called heat, with the dusts. It's pretty good. But what really gets, what really breaks and theories they they enter like a eurovision competition. They don't. They enter Eurovision, but they entered the competition to have of their song zero, like voyager did this year with their song. There was nowhere near as good as heat song, because heat song that they did for that it's called a thousand miles and it's the best song that's ever been written. It's so good it might even be better than strata. It fucking owns. The video for it is so good. It's just them playing on a sparkly stage, but it's sick. So that song kills. They then put out a second album. It's not called heat too. We'll get to heat too. They put our second album current. Remember, it's called it's not that good. It does have the song danger road, which is the best montage song ever. If you listen to it just next time you're doing something you need a montage just sucking danger road. It's the one. I need a montage. Yeah, yeah, that's like better than because this danger road got to push its so good. That's like the one died song on that out the wead singer leaves. They get a new lead single. This is Eric Yeah, yeah, this is Eric Ronwell, who is a guy they got off Swedish idol. He was he was on Swedish idol. He was singing iron maid because that's what they do in Sweden, or that's what Eric Ronwell doesn't swing, but I think he made it like pretty far in Sweden. Traddle, and I think you had a couple of Solo albums. They get here. Mean, he is not an old like bluesy hair metal singer. He looks like a member of a boy band. He looks like Nick Carter. They put an album called addressed the nation. That sounds like the backstreet boys mixed with bond job they are all on the cover wearing white jeans Carlor. This album fucking rules like it sounds like backtory boys plus Bon Jobie. What more do you want? It's so good. It delivers on everything that promise offers and they sort of get they get pretty big off the back of this. There's a bit of a second breakthrough for them, and then they follow that up with another album that's not as good, but that's like they're writing hot so they're sort of like around the scene. Then they've released a couple of duds, including heat too, they're like, Ye, become an old school we're bringing back the rock releasing an album called heat too. They put out they did they didn't known process. They put our N EP that had three songs on it, and then they're like, actually, there's an album. Those three songs are that the best three songs on the album. The rest of its trash. Forget about it. To the gone well leaves the band. He's gone. Oh the way I found out eric born I had left heat is. There was an announcement earlier this year Skid Rowe, who still exists for some reason despite not having the Sebastian Buck, the lead singer in them. But they still exist as a separate thing and people keep wanting them to read, you know it with Sebastian Buck, and I'm like why, like, I fucking love slave to the grind, but that was in ninety one and neither of them have done anything worthwhile since. Everyone's like now they get back together and be good day. They didn't get back together. They brought an Eric Coma and I'm like, wait a minute, isn't that guy? And he turns out he'd actually left the band in twenty ten. So maybe it was amicable and he left in joining up skid row, but I'm like, wow, he's fucking he's jumped chips skid row. Two days later, I'm making that number up. It might have been a week, it might have been the next day, who knows? Relatively soon after heat come and go, we're back with our old singer. We're releasing a new album and it's coming out before the skid row album, and here's the lead single of it, and that lead single is called nationwide. It's all about how they're going nationwide, and my sinsism kicks in. Goes Yeah, but he he like left you guys to go join an international band to try and break it in America. Like I don't know if you really like win him in back by being like look how nationwide we are and he's global. This is something I'm like reading and I'm creating this whole narrative where there's like a rivalry between between these bands, because maybe there's not, because it...

...turns out left the band a couple of years earlier. They got the new guy in. All of this was announced. I just missed it, but as far as I'm concerned, there is now a blood feud between skin rowing heat and half the songs on this album are sub tweeting Garret Cromwell, which I would get to, but we we've talked about hair metal and the hair and a run and we've been through. We talked about like ghosts, and then how much of the hair metal was influencing there. We talked about Guris and the chronicle, still one of the best albums of the year, absolute classic, and you went on over that. But you were on board with crash, Diane Right. So it's been a good year for him. And then, like last late last year, we also had the crazy licks album. That was sick and I think this is the best one of them by a mile. I fucking love this album, Carlo, and have been listening like this is doing coheating Cambria. Things to me are fitting track on this. The back to the rhythm is that I'm talking about how they're like, you know, taking passive aggressive shots. The song opens with a song called back to the rhythm about how they are back from the dead and they are back to the rhythm of fire and I don't know what the funk that means. It's to write a ship over heard of. I've yelling at and I like when it gets to the end and yell. But but, dad, and have you seen the video for this? The video is them badly C G I'd into a badly C G IED city. It starts with the new singer being sent back from the future Terminator Style, and he stands up on naked and cut and ship and then, like the Godzilla, stomp around a city and blow it up with the power of their rock. And there's a bit at the end whether bridge kicks and he does a little fucking shuffle backwards. So good, best for your clip of all time. Proceeded in three separate posts on the block. I mean I will. I can talk about this for ages and we are nearing on two hours of recording already and we are halfway through the special guests. But so who fucking knows? So I have a lot to say about this album. Do you want me to go off and come back to you at the end for you to say it's fine, or do you want to get it out of the way now? I'll get it out of the way now. So I'll just read word for word what my notes were. Yes, this has josh written all over it. So you always say big riffs, big vocals, big energy. It's hair metal baby. That is the correct response. But, as you called, this does not get past the fine barrier, although I am happy to concede that it is good, it's just not good enough to transcend my implicit bias against hair mettal. So it's a good album, it's just not past my personal fine barrier. I need to know how you feel very specifically about the song wings of an aeroplane, if you remember, just like the wings of an aeroplane. All Right, I'm listening to it. There's a lot of lip person going on. Yes, this one, this is this is not fly on the on the wings like an eagle. This is airplane, you know, which, for the record, the cover of the first heat album is then getting out of an aeroplane. So you know, maybe it's a turn back, but isn't this song rule? It's bombastic. Yeah, it's something. To wrap this up, because no one cares about this album with me, but fun do I love it. To continue the rivalry narrative that I'm trying to drive home. We have the song back to the rhythm about how they died, they were dead. Well, they didn't have their new singer, but now he's back there, back to the rhythm of fire. They go on nationwide. You can't hold him back for going over. They're not going inter national. And Look, I have seen Eric Gormall live. He did like a thing where he came out and he played some heat songs. That this thing. The rest of the band went there. The nationwide. You have to jet sit on his own. Sorry, the wings of an airplane can only carry you so far. But then have a song called tainted blood. I want to hear that's about. But they have a song called Hollywood that just straight up lifts the song from the riff from crazy looks how raising women. It's it's identical. But that song is about how lame and fake Hollywood is and how anyone who tried to make it there is clearly a sell out. I wonder who that could be. Could be about the song harder to breathe, which is fucking rules. It's got nothing to do with the rather were just irons. Has got this big Chunky riff and it's got this driving based thing and it's harder to breathe. Love it when they have a song about how they're not for sale. It's called not for sales, about how they don't sell out on the other pricks who leave and go and enjoined skid roder. Okay, that's how you know that he is not one of us, which is the name of the next song, which is all about how the new singer is one of us, but you know by implication other people aren't. So I think there might be a narrative to this album's a concept album about how that dirty fucker. No, that's too much. I mean maybe it was amable. As I said, all this sort of happened before I found out about it. Anyway, this album absolutely are even my paramount and paramount is Mus levels of ridiculous. It's like a fucking I don't even know. It's like the trumpet. What do you call it? When there's a trumpet and the People March around? It sounds like that. It's not good, but it's in between. It's right before wings of an aeroplane. So I don't care that comes through it. Like yeah, and we're going to talk about the new skid row album next month, but I've heard the new skid row alm and there's a couple of singles out there and, and I'm going to go out of here and say it, it is not as Goodt that is heat and the might have been looking forward to talking about a lot and have not at all done justice too, because it is very late and I've had a long day, but I already wrote it up for und of his pick, so you can go over that. You're...

...not chain to me Al it's called receivers. Wow, come along clouds, acts guy grab on my house and odds boys eyes a grab side. Oh, you like right, I like a fucking lock. Actually, they're a band that, despite being very sizeable, I think it very underrated. I mean, I guess after the Agel it goes somewhere. Their profile kind of died off a bit, but I just think in general they don't get enough credit for being fairly consistently awesome. But they're the kind of band that I don't really have a feel for how you would feel about them. Are you much of an archery guy? I'd never really listened to them much like I've heard the sink the old song here and there, but I think this is quite possibly the first time I've listened to an album of theirs in full, and this was some good ship. I liked it right. Yeah, it's hard and like it will need some more lessons, because I've only given there a couple. But yeah, I had a lot more fun than I thought I would. Yeah, I think this is I was surprised, like even as an arch enemy fan, how much I liked this album for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the last arch enemy was not good. It had a lot of hell metal influence to it and a lot of clean singing and stuff that was just very cheesy and did not work. And I tried to revisit it and I made it halfway through and just was like no, I can't, it's just like it's bad. It's it's clunky and cheesy and not good. And that's the first time, like they're released one of their album chaos legions. That was like subpar, but it was. It was just like sort of not as good, whereas the last one was. The first time I was like, Oh, this is like pretty rough. So I wasn't really sure where they were going with this one and it got some like it's had mixed reviews, to say the least, with a lot of talking the reviews I've seen of it and even from, like, you know, people in my actual life, saying they've they've turned things down a bit, they've gone mainstream, they've sold out, which okay. And and also the lead single from this this album was called handshake with help, which I just saw the name of an and did not listen to it until I was a bit trepidatious going into this. There's some fucking rules. This guy as hard as fun and I love it because it sounds like art enemy. And then I don't hear any of this like turning down or selling out stuff, like you obviously don't have the Archimi history to compare it to, but like, I don't think there's anything here that I would describe as like mainstream pandering or anything like that. It's like it's polished, but archieomy have always been polished, and it sounds a little cleaner than the albums they did ten years ago, just because modern production sounds a bit cleaner than it did ten years ago. Like it doesn't. It seems in line with what this kind of music would sound like these days. I don't know. I think there was a bit of a like I was picking up some power metal vibes at times on this record, but as someone that doesn't like power metal really, it didn't bother me and I thought it was like neatly integrated and fit in well with the rest of their sound. Yeah, there's definitely something like. Yeah, Classic Metal Style leads, which, again, I've just always been there throughout our tournament. I mean the think about arch enemy is there, you know, Angela Gossau and now a lesser white glue. They're they're they're the iconic front of people of this band or whatever. But it's always been Michael Lammett's band. Um, it's always been about the guitars on the shredding, especially when he when Christopher ammitty's brother, gets in there and he's like he did the middle period, which is all the sort of classic modern archer in the albums, and I think about Michael Ammty is. You get all these interviews with guys from extreme metal bands and they're like, Oh, what do you what are you listen to? What do you take inspiration from. They're like, Oh, I don't actually listen to metal. I don't know. I don't listen to that because I need a chill out our metals crap and I just do it and I'm more interested in this other stuff. And every interview I've ever read or seen with Michael I was like, well, what are you? What are you listen to? What do you what are you inspired by? He's like creating always. What do you do when your spare time? I sent my room and I listened to thrash metal and I play Guitar, and I think that definitely comes through on this album because, I mean, obviously you said you liked it, but when I was like I'm not sure whether you'd be in touching me or not, is like there're ostensibly I'm a lot of death metal band. You like more like death metal to some extent, but I'll show me like. They don't sound like in flames, they don't sound like tranquility or anything like. It's it's much thrashier, like I think this album is almost more of a thrash metal album than a than a melodic death metal album or an extreme alim it's like really gnarly thrash metal. I don't know. This is. This is much closer to the last creator album than, I don't know, the halo effect that we're going to talk about. I still think it's like, first and foremost, melodath death, thrashy, thrashy, and there's not much really more to say about this than if you like thrashy Melod death, you'll like it. But I think there's some real like quality, catchy songwriting. There's like handshake with hell, fucking odds. I don't know why it's called that. I don't know why, out of all the time, they should have called it wings of an aeroplane. Yeah, I'm going through all the things now, like a handshake from hell, deceiver, deceiver in the eye of the store they watch. All of these are songs that jumped out of me, grabbed me, that I can remember like. I think the thing with this album and the last one is that they've got the Jeff Loom never more is now on the band,...

...though again like the VOLG thing, I don't know how much he's involved or if he's small and the high gun, because I don't think there's anything never more really coming through here, although saying it's thrashy. I maybe I don't know, but this is another arch enemy album and I think it's sort of been written off for that reason. But I think it is a solid arch enemy album that I would put alongside what are often considered some of their classic albums, sort of in the in the vein of wages, have seen an anthems of rebellion like I think this is on par with those and it's not going to be as hailed and heralded just because of the timing that they were really albums of a time that we're doing something new and exciting, whereas this is just that again. But I don't think the quality has dipped at all. Yeah, this is good. So that. Should we go to soil work? Yeah, yeah, don't now, don't, don't blank out right now. And Yeah, so ye, talking about how arch enemy are they like death metal band. We're going through another melodic death metal band in soil work, a band that I'm starting to think out of you know, all the big the big four of the like death metal, if we want to say in flames, stark tranquility, arch enemy and soil work. I think maybe I'm leaning towards soil work being my favorite these days, but in terms of our arch enemy and like death metal band, because that's where I started this sentence three minutes ago, don't sounding anything like soil work, especially not on these filbums. All right, like this is if we're going to say, if you're saying well, our enemy Siller, I'm like death metal band before we even get into this album. Is it in any way accurate to refer to soil work on this album these days as a melodic death metal band? Is there any death metal on this over the given hit? And that's right. However, I'm just doing a real good job of saying the album titles while you weren't here, by the way, filling it. There's there's a bit of melodic death metal, but then there's just as much, if not more, Dad Rock. So it's like where do you draw the line? Um, yeah, I think I wrote this up for the release day round up and I just said this is the solidification of soil work as a melodic prog band rather than a melodic death metal band. Like there's the occasional ground vocal, but like nothing on this to me is extreme metal. Agreed, dad rocks a bit harsh, like we're not talking about the night flight August rack here, but I think there's definitely a classic vintage kind of Prog Sand on here, which they were leaning into a bit on their last album, which I didn't particularly care for. I didn't think it was awful, but it seemed like I stepped down a bit of a mixed, muddled album, especially after it came after the road majestic, which is my favorite sil work album, was well with the if that year. I think it's subjectively the best album. I mean they've got the thing about side work is they've got a few like they're quite good and even if we're looking at whatever that what was the last album called, they're clear for Clayton, I think that. And the one that is always pointed to is sworn to a great divide from two thousand seven has been their their weakest album. Nums and M Clayton's debatable. I think sworn to a date great divide is certainly the weakest. Silo woke up but like that is the kind of album that I think a lot of bands would top out at. Like they really have a quite a high floor and I don't think they get enough credit for being as good as they are, like with things like the right majestic or as interesting. I mean, they put out that double album which was just straight up Melo death, but they've been leaning in this like more aspirational, more ambitious progear direction for a while now and between this and the last album there was also the EP a whisper of the Atlantic, which the tile track was a sixteen minute like prog epic song, which is something they hadn't really done before, and I thought that was really good. Like that sort of reunited my interest after for Glidon felt a bit flat. So I am pretty on board with over given Hatton and then the transition into program and I think it's like a successful, yes, solidification of what they were going for and for Clayton. But it didn't really work. This isn't one of my absolute favorite soil work albums, but I think it rocks pretty hard, like maybe I'm getting this hits my dad, my dad nerve. It's just fine for me. I think it's it's certainly no nowhere near their peak and I don't think it's going to sway many people and I can't see a huge amount of new fans jumping on with this. It's not going to bring in those holding out for another ride majestic, but I don't think it's really going to make anyone there thither. I mean I don't when you say it won't bring in any more fans. Like part of the narrative with soil work is apparently the night flight orchestra have become more successful than them. I don't know how, because that man is terrible, but at least in Europe or something, I think they have like as big, if not like. I think they've been nominated for grammys and ship as the night flight orchestra. So I wonder how much of that fan base would translate over to this album. That wouldn't on something like the right majestic. I do think the problem with this album is it's it's a tad bloated and it can get a bit bloody. Yeah, it's a lot of midpiece. I think it's a little bit more dynamic at times overall,...

...but it does sort of slot into that midpace for a while and I think a major problem with it is the second track, new songs and the girl, whatever that song is called, which is almost seven minutes long and I think is the weakest, ploodiest, dullest track on the album and I think, like I have just started skipping that track and I think if you pull that out of there it keeps up a lot more momentum. But yeah, much like with the shadow me, I'm like looking at the names of these songs, I can I can remember them, I can hear what they sound like and I think there are some real highlights here. The obvious one death, I hear you calling this is the one that Gusting in Da Dad, Dad and dad demand that one, all right, which, now that I hummed that along, I'm like that's that's a very mastered on sounding risk. Yeah, that's the one where where does regular dads. We're cool dads. are like, if they're going to be doing dad progum, very happy with them doing it to this standard. I I don't think this is a standard in their their career. It's not going to make my end of view list, but I'm like, I'm pretty on board with this and I'm very happy if this is where they're going at the stage in their career. I like it faight. Let's wrap it up then, with Ernius and IAKLA for special guests. How would you say all those are those words, because literally every time I brought this band I spell it differently and then I go and double check it and then I go back and I swear I've got it right and I look at it and I'm like, it's not it. There's like three more years and I think there are is a techni band, Pro proggy technic. They had nelbom out previously. That I think you were a fan of. Yes, very much so. So the previous one was also a bit of a bit of a mouthful perspsacity, if I've said that correctly. No idea, but it really wowed me with its riffs and it was super distinctive. Reminded me a lot of Gods of Eden, whom I can sit absolutely adore, and just the way that they it's like they end their guitar runs sooner than you expect them to end, but it works and it was tech as fuck, fast as fuck. The only complaint I had with that album was it was too long and it was a lot to take in, too much that for us a person to regularly take in only in an hour's time. So that's my background coming into this. What about you? Yeah, I think that that was. My reaction to it is. I put it on, I'm like, yeah, I like, I like the sound of this, this is cool, and then it's just it's just constant barrage of like withe with the riffuge, which is all good, but no, it never really added up to anything. It was just like everything all at once. Yeah, I haven't moved back to it, so I don't know how it holds up, but I'm putting this one on. I thought I was. I felt much the same until about halfway through the record and this one gets really fucking good all of a stuff. The first half is like yeah, like pretty, like decent, but kind of standard and fairly like you're saying that. The solio album has that one piece. It's sort of like single e placed tech death. And then hit, I think it's truck four, and do you want to pronounce the name of truck four right? And then you get halfway through that and the weird jazz prop kicks in and I'm like hello, here we go. And then the song after that. Do you want to you want to pronounce the title of truck sounds like Nile mixed with origin. I'm into that. And then the six track which is called all to that one, which still sounds like origin, but this time mixed with alter right, and we're getting a bit of a swirl of of some tech de bands that I like that I have reference points to that I can grab onto. It just gets a little bit proggier, a little more varied, and I find I really enjoy the second half of this album and then every time I go back to listen at the first three tracks, I'm like, I remember it being more interesting than this, and then kicks in truck farm like because it is. I don't know if this works a rule. Is that album or if it does, there's just a part of it that I'm more into. But whatever was going on in the second half of this album I bloody well like and I think it's a lot more memorable and digestible than the just the barrage with the first album. But he was the Tech Dek guy who was into that first album. What are you making of color? I can do it color. I'm liking it, but I'm not liking it as much as I liked the previous one. But I am picking up what you put them down. I agree that it's there's first few tracks where I'm just like I expected more from this. Like it's, it's still okay, but it's not what I what I was here for. I feel like that distinctive style of guitar isn't quite living up to the expectations that I had at the beginning. And then it does. Yeah, it does start to pick up as it goes along, and I think if you could combine what they did here with what they did on their previous album, you would get something incredible as a result. Like if they had the same level of editing...

...and restraint that they show here, Um, in terms of run time, in terms of throwing in some listening breaks, like with some more spacey stuff and some interludes, and if you sharpened up the first few tracks with, say, what they did on the first few tracks of the last one, then it would be killer by the end of it. I'm thinking this is more of a prog album than a tech album. Like it's. It's still definitely a prog tech album, but rather than or maybe the other way route, like maybe it's more of a technical prog album, whereas the first one is a prog tech album. Like the first time is much more technically inclined whereas this has more of that that spacey texture stuff. The earlier tracks are not that into. The thing they did remind me of is early PSYCROPTIC, right. Yeah, yeah, some of the weird vocal stuff, like he doesn't go as crazy as some of the psycroptic things, but like it's it's like a weird, off putting tone that he's got Um and some of the riffing reminded me of that. So, given that we sort of said where maybe we're we're the uncle kids who like later pacroptic. If you are until like, yeah, early soycroptic, maybe the first half of this album will do it more for you, when the whole thing hold up a bit more. But yeah, I was initially a little bit disappointed by this album and have grown to be quite impressed and I think it's a definite improvement over the first one. For me is there's certainly more cohesive and memorable. That is the special guests. And we're still not done, because there were nineteen million other albums released this week, including ones by big names that I've relegated to supports because I don't really have that much to say about them. So this is less a reflection of of the significance of the release than just what. I found myself thinking about how much to say about these albums, including one that I thought I would have a lot to say about, which is a totem, the new album by sulfly sulf fly, obviously Mexicolare's band. I really like sulf fly. I very much in particular like the last sulfla album, which I thought was awesome. Had A lot more extreme metal to it, which seems to be the phase they're going through at the moment, but I would have put it as a top three sulfi album, alongside dark ages and primitive. So ironically, I was not looking forward to that last album because I'm like, oh, that's another soul fla album. Then it ruled and I was really looking forward to this one, and it's here on my ads and not the soult Flan like this is this is okay, it's threshy, it doesn't really stand out. I think it's I think it's one of their weaker albums and they tend to go through these phases where, alas, a good album they do the same thing that's not as good and then they changed up. So maybe they're just there I was expecting a little bit more from this because they now have Arthur risk, who's been producing the last couple of albums, and cavalier conspiracy albums and produced Kurd orange. And what's the band that did not my a logic? Pu. Yes, he did. He did. Poetra, plays in summer lands, plays on this album because Mark Rizzo, the Leiner Guitarist, left and then and then and then he joined this. So I was sort of looking forward to what he brought to the album. In the answer is not much. Really. There's something of note and that it has a song called spirit animal that's like nine minutes long, but it sort of just sounds like one of their regular songs mashed together with one of the instrumental songs that they do. So it's fine. In summary, it's fine. Something else that is fine is the new Amon amarth album, which I wasn't really expecting to like because I really did not like the last I'm on a marth album and it seems like they're they've kind of lost it. Uh, do you have any interest in listening to the one marth album? Because they're like their name. They had line like bloodstock and ship like a caressree interest. I'm a lot of death metal band. That again, so nothing like our Chenemy or soil work. But yeah, no, I mean I really like that mid period of my modermath with fate and norms and and twilight of the fundy gone things, you know, that the one think everybody likes. Yet and I quite liked everything up until it was a Jawn's Viking thinking, I think. Yeah, from a couple of years ago, which had more of a heavy metal thing. I think if they had stopped there we'd be gone. Like that is one of the perfect like discoveries of metal. And then, I don't know, just the last one really rubbed me the wrong way, like when we're talking about standing things down and making them a bit more cleaner sounding, the mass consumption that was level again started. I mean I think for me that's what the last monermath album sound like. This one doesn't really sound like that. It's just kind of dull. It's just a really long, boring album full of a modern math songs that aren't as good as all the other modernmath songs. I don't know, I think I think I've fallen off the Amon a math bandwagon. But also this album seems to be getting fairly a fairly tepid response. I think so. I don't know. There was a time when another modernmath album sounded like the last, and one of math album was like the best thing that could possibly happen, and now it's like, okay, Sorr, yeah, it wasn't that bag into that, but it's it's definitely worth addressing, given that like it, weirdly, is one of the biggest metal releases of the year, but it's sort of come and go on without much fanfare, and I think maybe for good reason. One you have listened to another potentially large release, at least in terms of our as a as a talking point, we are talking the debut album from the halo effect, days of the lost, which that the halo effect. What's this? This is everyone who's quit in flames over the last ten years, and then the dude from doctor and triality used to be in flames. Is that how that works? That's exactly how that works. Okay, so this is the side of more like death metal that that you are into more. Yeah, we are. You looking forward to this? I'm assuming you too do not care for modern inflames on account of you have two years and a heart as the same ghost. I like them up until a sense of purpose. So I still think a sense of purpose is good. I think a sense of purpose is really good and severely undergrated. Yet and then sounds of a playground fading onwards was not good.

Like there's there's a couple of good songs here and there, but on the whole no, thank you. And then by the time I get to battles, I think, I think that is that's the one when, when you thought it couldn't get worse than siren chance, I'm like, Hey, what about battles there? And then look either mask. It's hardly any better. I mean remember when they released that song about their their horror or whatever. It was their house, and I was like they're back. They were not. That the song is bad. It was never good battles. So let's say flames, duck tranquility. How are you on duck tranquility? I'm not across their whole discography, but what I have listened to I enjoy. So I like duck tranquility. Okay, yes, me too. They used to be my favorite, like deathmital band and and I've sort of dropped off on over the last last couple of releases, but fiction is is an all time favorite of mine. I have to say I was I was a little bit I was like I don't know if I need this. When it got announced I was like okay, but like I guess, and I feel a little bit proven right in that this album is the finest of the fine barrier albums to me. I don't know. I also on this album and I cannot remember a single fucking second of it. It took me, I listen to this album four or five times before I realized Matt he was on the last track. Like I just put this on. I it sounds like dark tranquility, which I think it sounds a lot more like dark tranquility than in flames, which might just be because of the vocals, but if I was looking for like the in flames revival, there's nothing like. I colony is one of my all time favorite albums, and that mid period of inflames like that sort of like sweeping leads that they're known for. I don't know if there's a lot of that here, but I also could not tell you because I literally this album is rubber and I'm whatever the thing is and it's like wing flip, just none of this. I put this on, it's like I go into a haze. I'm a lazy or something. So I will defer to you. Is this album any good? Well, I just try to search it up so that I could tell you which song to listen to, because it sounds just like in flames and I couldn't find it because I was mistakenly searching for in flames. Um, so days of the lost. There's a lost tracked. Yeah, okay, that is the guitar strike that that kicks off colony. So yeah, this is the first song on colony the lost. I've never had them before in my life. Okay, once the vocals kick in, I'm like that start tranquility there. I mean this is this is kind of like that. What was the tech the film we did where I'm like, I didn't like it, but then I did extracrane. But I literally I cannot believe that I didn't like that album beforehand. I don't know. Maybe I come back to this album and I'm like, oh no, it's sick. It sounds like old in flames. But I don't know, every time I put this on it's finished. I'm going. I do not have an opinion about this album. To me, it does sound a lot like old in flames and this to me just feels like the whole Batushka Saga. They're not fighting over the name, like there's basically two in flames is now and yeah, like it's past the fine barrier for me. I like it. I think it's really good. Whether it's list worthy, I'm not so sure. You're even going that far. Do you like this less or more than the arch enemy? Less than the act enemy? Of them? Okay, but yeah, I think it's I think it's good. I think you should give it some more time and try and pretend that it's not the duck tranquility blacklist. Maybe it's so distinctly that, because the other thing is, of course, in the middle of this, inflames now sound like old in flames again. So they're like, you know, stolen a little bit of the thunder off this album with the singles they've been putting out. Yeah, but now you can listen to an inflames song knowing that the video clip is not going to have and Hoodie, just like that truck I had, doesn't it? Yeah, I mean just I definitely like this more than the last out tranquility album. But I have gone back to a couple of times and it's just, I don't know, not do anything for me. But it does sound like, to borrow a phrase, it sounds pretty stock. Yeah, that's I mean, that's fair enough. I wanted an old inflames album, then, yes, this is doing the job, but I don't think it does anything more than that. And you're a hundred percent correct. The days of the lost sounds like colony. But it sounds identical to colony, which then makes me go, I'm gonna go and listen to colony. That like, I don't know if there's a reason to listen to that. What. What did you make it that they he feature on the blast song. I'M NOT gonna lie, I didn't even know he was there. So, I mean, maybe I'm making it up. Isn't even on that? Well, I mean it checks out right. He loves in flames, so he's also on like most albums. Right, that's that's the second last song, last of that come. He's on that. Right. All Right, you've convinced me to go back to the self. I think I'm in a weird mood because I don't like machine head, also kroptic anymore. I don't know. That's what I was complaining about an album because it sounded too much like the blackening from that sucking heat album. Now, I mean that's that's the problem. All of these are dwarfed. So I've just been doing modeling and academic stuff for too long, or I can imagine is just a decision tree of yours, where it's like you're trying to classify whether an album is good or not, and the soul criteria is, is it heat? Yes, bad for me. I like that. The soil I count. I even thought the unprocessed what was a right. But yeah, heat is like so far above all these. It's so good color get like...

...back to the rhythm of fire. That's like the best string of words. Just fi on the wings of an aeroplane, the wings of a plane. I don't know. That's so funny to me because like aeroplanes fly. I don't know that's funny. It's like, yeah, I can fly on the wings, but I think that's it, like I can't fly like an eagle. That that is an aspirational sensation that I will never understand. But like you fly, like I'm not like you're on the wings of an aeroplane. I'm like, yeah, like cou get in the planes just like that. Put a Pacific Room too, would go to sleep. That's a great day. Sing too is good. All Right, let's do sigh, because I originally had sigh in the special guests and and then I forgot to listen to them. Well, I amn't listened to them. That if you haven't listened at all, have you listen to any sign maybe? Are They Japanese? Yeah, yeah, that's the weird Japanese band. Yeah, I've heard bits and pieces, but not not nothing like consistent from them. I mean I think a lot of people have some reverence for their sort of mid period stuff, but I think scenes from how and some of the phobia. There's two records where they go. That's where they get like like they were always weird, but that's where they go like full avant garde stuff. I quite like the album before that, hangman's him, because it's a thrash metal album and I did that ship. It's like a weird carnival thrashmall album. Super underrated. I think it's good. Like Sara, a band that I quite like and they're a band that, like a lot of bands doing weird ships site, genuinely unsettled me sometimes, like when we talk about what does the Muse Halloween song sound like like? Maybe some some early side stuff that there's a song on. There is a song on their two thousand and five album, gallows gallery. Am I going to work out what? It's called? Midnight Sun, and this is like a Jaunty yeah, it sounds like the Halloween Song. It could be on the soundtrack to like before Christmas or something. And the guy on the metal show on trouble J when I was a teenager listening to that late at night, used to play this song like once a week and it always used to freak me in the funk out because I couldn't deal with this with the carnival skeleton singing the Jaunty black metal song. I don't know that song. That's just always weird in me out. So, yes, I sorry and I'm nerving band. They're an interesting band. Their last two albums I don't think have been very good. One of them has a guest feature from Matt Heavy, because he'll do that. But I think this new one, chickey, is really quite good and I think it's it's good and better than the last couple because they sort of went as far and as wide as they were going to go within some of the folks. It really went for it on that one in terms of weird weirdness, and then the next one, the next couple, we're like trying to be weird, but it's like yeah, it's not quite as like this hicky album is fucking batshitted, saying by any other band standard, but by Um size standard it's like pretty straightforward, like there is a lot of yeah, classic heavy metal in this, like it reminds me of iron made a lot, but if iron made and were like played on fast forward with Jaunty Japanese folk parts and things. So I really wanted to come on here and have something interesting to say about the SI album, but I sort of listened to it a lot when it came out, forgot it existed, looked at the list of the albums we were going to cover it again and go, Oh yeah, and I don't think size and album where I can just say hey, it's kind of sounds like I'm made and really represented pretty well. But in terms of is this a good sty album I think you should listen to it. Yes, and maybe even if you're not into like weird prog metal, but you are into like classic heavy metal, I think it's could be a good one to jump on if you're if you're interested in checking it out. So that is side who I am not at all doing justice. It's speaking, a weird ship. Do we want to do cyborg octopus because you listen to this one? Yeah, so cyborg octopus. I just gave it a couple listeners today and I didn't even realize they were still around. So cool to see that they're back, still making music. But I really don't have much to say other than it seemed fine. The crazy genre switching is still there, but I feel like when you've got as much crazy stuff going on as they usually do, or at least you've jumping back and forth as much as they tend to, it needs a few more listens to really think in. Yeah, definitely one, much like with with side that I don't think like we can justifiably represent. From a couple of lessons and doing the sports. I must only want to stick it here because I thought you might be into it. Um and now listen once when it came out. Forgot about it sort on the list. So the same story. The previous one was good. I did like something to do with breathing breath. There became a whole name on the plug before my time. Well, I mean I did listen to that album and it didn't really do a whole lot to me because it was sort of the Wacky, disjointed side of stuff where I didn't the this one from the the one. Lesson I gave it like last week or whatever. I think this is Wayne Walker Heron, a little tamer but still has like some cool progy stuff going on. But I was shocked at like how much folk medals going on and this there are. There was a ton of like folk metal sections. So if that's a new edition, but I was a little bit surprised by what they sounded like and and from my cursory listen I think it is. It is quite good, but I have not been back to it. I think Trent's big on this and I have invited him on to do, if he wants to do, a trend time section in future. So maybe we'll visit them when I've had a chance to listen to it again. Another one I was interested in getting your take on it. was becoming the archetype with their comeback out with children of the great extinction. Any history would becoming the archetype. Aal there, like a Christian medal core band that got kind of property and kind of techy and then disappeared for like ten years or something and then came back with the which I don't know. It's...

...like it's like procky metalcore, for it might be something you're into. Are you into it? Yeah, that's where I'm at here. It's far like I like where I like the idea of it being good, but it's just that's a pretty accurate real yeah, I care what you're going for. Yeah, yeah, cool, Um. Yeah, I don't know. Another one that might benefit from more lessons, but I don't know if if there's much more to dig into with that one. But yeah, kind of, kind of. This is proggier than they have been. They've been a lot kind of techier in the past, I think. But I was expecting this one to grow on me and that I have kind of bounced off it and that I am bigger on that that I do whole hardly endo used that. I was hoping you would have us knew, but you did. You did not. How do you have other things going on in your life? Apologies, but when I recommend you you listen to post podcast. is an album called a horrid obsessions by a band called carrying veil. This is a tech death album. You like tech death. This is a very this is a very good tech death album that has. Sorry, the pitch on this is it sounds like a mix of the black dilament are the big one here. Like his vocals out a lot, like like trevor, especially in some of the later stuff. A lot of the riffing also has that melodic, thrashy style that they were known for. Like definitely black deliametter or the big influence on this album, but mixed with like there's the second influence, I would say it is cuddled decapitation. Especially on the first song you hear a lot of that symphonic craniosity and things. That's not as prevalent throughout the album, but when it POPs up, it POPs up and and the occasional like archfire style vocal sections and believe it. So yeah, I think this album is really fucking good and the comparison to black deliametter is is completely unavoidable. But I also think this is way better than the last like three or four black deliameter albums. Like I would say this is the best black deliameter album since ritual. I think it's my line and that I know a lot of people like nightbringers, but that album did not do a lot for me and I thought the last one was fairly poor, which might have just been diminishing returns. But then listening to this and going there is something you could do with that sound by by mixing it with different sounds, to be fair. But yeah, that was quite I think some album is like the quite good. Is that? That makes it sound like, yeah, quite good, but I think this album is very, very good. I'll check it out. What else was there? There was a spirited drift album. That's not really an album. It was like two new singles and a bunch of cover songs. Um. I really like that last spirited drift album, enlightened in eternity from which is by far the best of the modern tread revival albums. They're just like in that scene. They are head and shoulders above everybody else and they put it out there there for future ape, which was just like three more songs that also kicked ours. So just the fact that they were going to be to two more spirited songs, I thought was even. That's worth mentioning. Plus, like some covers of songs by bands like the Lizzie and Metallica and things, this album is complete waste of time. Do not bother. The two songs are whatever, and then the covers are not. They're just straight covers. They don't do anything to really Zazz them up. I didn't do a cover of escape. That's some metallica cover they do and something fine whatever. Um. So it's just to say, don't put that with that one. And there was also the dreadnalinte album. Do you do a dreadninte? I like the idea of dreadnought more than I like dreadnought. Yes, I mean even it's been running about this album all over the blog at the moment and I think he has a lot more insight into it. This is the endless by dreadnought, a band that I want to like way more and I have a lot more adoration and admiration and respect for. Actually, I haven't said that. I really did like their last ALP which I didn't like it that much because I forgot it existed until I was scrolling through to see what the name of the new album was. But I'm like, I'm looking at remember the cover. I'm like, I remember, actually, no, no, no, so this I thought that one was the last album. Two, but that's what between there's emergence from nineteen, which has like a yeah, I actually, yeah, I remember really liking that album. So I am throwing that in my playlist of things that I listened to and I will read his that. But yeah, I've sort of found myself like I quite like life war even I think he's one of their earlier albums when they were a bit more standard sounding. Yeah, the one with the tree. As they've got more grandiose and ambitious, they've they've lost me a little bit and I've listened to this one a few times and it's like I think it's really good when I'm listening to it and then but it doesn't doesn't really stick with me just because because I don't think it's good, because it doesn't just doesn't fit in with the alignment the kind of stuff I like. I like heat. Okay, so it's not the decision tree, not heat, but I thought it was worth giving a shout out here because I think, just objectively, it's a very cool album that is worth mentioning and if you want to be deep inside to that, go and read any of the things he has written about it on the blog in the last week or so. Okay, now we're going to talk about we're going to go back to the future, back to the rhythm of fire with uncool people time Um, and I'll edit it. I don't know what I'm gonna do with this. I'm going to make like some kind of weird giving you a hot mess collage thing. I mean, I think it's mostly my fault. Adja road, it's so good. Yes, the heat after this and feel better. I don't know. Either I make some kind of like weird art project out of this, this episode, or I just put an apology at the start too much like look, guys, tried. There's so many albums, speaking which. Have...

...you seen the lineup for next month, Carlo, no, I have not. Okay, let me have a look here. That's not even the full lineup because I gave up updating, updating enough September slipping up bathway drive, megadive, bland, Guardian, clutch, behemoth, revocation for Louser, war forged. When are we getting to the special guests? Yeah, and and half of these come out tomorrow, before this this week, by the way. Yeah, I think it was a revocation. Flew Your war forge and abstract illusion straight from the path parkway drive. Yeah, they all come out this week. Yeah, pretty much everything up to and including war forged is a headliner. I think you're gonna like that abstract delusion album, which I think we're actually premier and I'll give you hit. Electric Callboy, also a headliner. Have you? Have you listened to electric car boy? Have you seen the electric callboy videos? Seen some videos, okay, because I was like, what if I just drop electric callboy on Carlo when he's not he's not ready. Yeah, you're you're looking for the next dog broker there. Sorry, if you look at the comments, I have proposed we broke this up into into two episodes, which is a lot more manageable but also means we would be doing two episodes. So I don't know. Oh yeah, and then Rina Sawa Yamas in there as well. October's back to, I think, a regular size and then I don't think there is anything slated for one November on December. So I don't know. How do you want to deal with this blood bath as well? We didn't even mention blood bath. Is Blood bath album? It's a megadeth film. We mentioned Megadeth, the Mars fault. I don't even like the Mars fault. We don't have to talk about the Mars fault. I don't care. This is a lot. I don't know if I can get through that much in a month. Amerckon, we just do one episode and we just do half the bands. So now we're going to pick which half. Do we talk about behemoth or we just sunk them off? I'm happy to talk about them. So, like we could put slipnot behemoth, in in with the first ones. Is there anyone else you're really excited about in the episode two? I mean parkway driver, one of my favorite bands. Also, I wrote a whole thing. I am interested to hear what you think about that album. But also I'm not going to not talk about a new clutch album. So really I want to talk about all of them. I mean anything that's not in supports I want to talk about. And so yeah, okay, I could, I mean I could sunk off all the supports. Kill the supports and I'll do my best. Kill the sports, kill cool people. It's still it's still so much. I mean, you don't want to talk about blind guy. Yeah, they't really care about my guy there. Do you care about blood buss? Indifferent? Yeah, alright. So what if we make the special guests, all the ones that you're indifferent about? We're treated more like supports? That or we just move you tell me what you're not interested in. It feels so bad putting bland guarding in supports, but I did it to soulfly, so you know. Alright, so one episode and we read you it around the strategy. That was good. I want to talk about gay era. It's going to be real good. All right, we'll work it out. I can't believe you, I mean the fact that you're still talking to me after this episode. It's quite it's a lot o good. It was fine. It was good to see you. Thank you, color, and see you next month. Catch you next time, bar how yes, today I told about all right, trying a new trying to be out fucking this call times too. There's also a new so little workout. That was fine. Quick. Yeah, there's we talk. I G's the first podcast. Let's try. I quit that trend and Greg that you can throw with you. These good you know that on these things. I mob. Yeah, scrams, scrams, that sounds like music and I'm like that's at right down. Don't last. Oh, don't say stand the side don't says down...

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